[plschwartz]

What bad hairday for George-o.
Not only the ports problem but the possibility of an outright Civil war in Iraq.
The Neo-cons have retreated to theorize another day. But our GIs may well be in the middle of a conflict predicted by many with knowledge of the area.

So should we stand out ground and try to contain a civil war stay out of it, pull back to Cantonments or what.

Right -wing voices welcome. But please let us know if you have any ceiling for US causulties

[Rep]

My ceiling for casualties was exceeded thousands ago.

We were shouted to that war so the U.S. Senate could be taken by the GOP in Novemeber of 02. It worked. The GOP has the power and controls everything. Everything.

We have a president that prides himself in taking a stand and not backing down. What can we expect? We wanted him, we have him. He has the power.

Under his leadership we are bogged down in sand and opening our shores to multi national corporations housed in countries with terrorist ties and funding.

[DublHelix]

countries with terrorist ties and funding.

Sinn Fein / IRA get invited to D.C :

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=X&oi=...story%3D680215

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The new reformed IRA

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4156589.stm

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IRA - Defenders of their community :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sta...t_beatings.stm


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You've been supporting terrorists for decades. You swallowed the propaganda that the IRA were fighting for democracy in N Ireland. The dewy eyed, skewed, 'nostalgic' view of the 'Old Country' that inspired hands to dig deep in pockets has enabled the IRA to wage a bloody murder campaign in a vane attempt to force their way into office.

They now have a property portfolio established throughout the recent entrant nations to the EU, of somehwere in the region of £250 million.

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Strange that 'Irish' Americans can sit in clubs and pubs, built on land stolen from Native Americans in the 19th century, and feel inspired or even compelled to raise money, without a hint of irony, to help fight to reclaim land 'stolen' by Britain in the 17th c.

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Since every treaty the Native Americans have signed up to since the 1840's, has been at the point of a gun, if the IRA is right to try and shoot / bomb their way to 'victory' ... then presumably that works for them also ?

What if disillusioned young native american men had carried out the 9 / 11 attacks ?

How would you feel if representatives of such a group were then feted as heroes in London, Paris, Berlin etc and offered sackloads of cash to carry on their 'struggle' ?

[linskyjack]

Civil War has started---just read the news of the last week---If there is CIvil War, then I think we leave the Iraqi's to their own devices---I would put my money on the Shi--controled by Iran. I would also like to Bush apologize to the nations warriors for putting them in an unwinnable situation---A public apology from the Oval Office is in order.

[DublHelix]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

Civil War has started---just read the news of the last week---If there is CIvil War, then I think we leave the Iraqi's to their own devices---I would put my money on the Shi--controled by Iran. I would also like to Bush apologize to the nations warriors for putting them in an unwinnable situation---A public apology from the Oval Office is in order.

Certainly - if Kofi Annan is willing to apologise for more than a decade of failure ... failure to intervene in Rwanda, the Balkans, Somalia, Chechnya, Zimbabwe, Darfur.

How many millions died, while men in designer silk suits, sitting in air conditioned rooms in NY and Geneva, prevaricated ?

[Rep]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

Civil War has started---just read the news of the last week---If there is CIvil War, then I think we leave the Iraqi's to their own devices---I would put my money on the Shi--controled by Iran. I would also like to Bush apologize to the nations warriors for putting them in an unwinnable situation---A public apology from the Oval Office is in order.

Our troops deserve that apology made from the deck of an aircraft carrier.

[linskyjack]

I agree Rep---and Double Helix---come on the UN, you have to be kidding--When has that organization done anything that was noble (short of UNICEF and a couple of other programs) Its just a club for diplomats to live big.

[Space Cowboy]

Yep .. Ole George has got us in one hell of a mess.

I see only one way out.

Send this to Iran with a kiss

[Mulderator]

Jesus--do you liberals every wake up with the sun shining--even one day. I could just see each one of you smiling and rejoicing everytime you hear slanted news from the media. Here's something I am sure none of you heard from any news source.

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/colu...23/187542.html

America idolized
Feb 23, 2006
by Cal Thomas ( bio | archive | contact )

Email to a friend Print this page Text size: A A Would you care to guess who said this: "To the courageous men and women of the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, who have changed the city of Tall Afar (Iraq) from a ghost town, in which terrorists spread death and destruction, to a secure city flourishing with life"?

Is this an excerpt from a Pentagon or presidential citation? Nope.

"To the lion-hearts who liberated our city from the grasp of terrorists who were beheading men, women and children in the streets for many months." Was that on a plaque from the local Kiwanis Club? Wrong again.


"To those who spread smiles on the faces of our children and gave us restored hope, through their personal sacrifice and brave fighting, and gave new life to the city after hopelessness darkened our days and stole our confidence in our ability to reestablish our city."

Give up? That is a letter from the mayor of Tall Afar in the Iraqi province of Nineveh. Mayor Najim Abdullah Abid Al-Jubouri wrote it to express his gratitude to American soldiers. Chances are you have not read this letter. I have only found it in a few small-circulation U.S. newspapers. It certainly conveys an impression opposite what much of the mainstream media and some politicians have been telling us.

Tall Afar was the main base of operations for the terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. The mayor says his city was held hostage by al-Zarqawi. "Our schools, governmental services, businesses and offices were closed. Our streets were silent, and no one dared to walk them. Our people were barricaded in their homes out of fear; death awaited them around every corner. Terrorists occupied and controlled the only hospital in the city. Their savagery reached such a level that they stuffed the corpses of children with explosives and tossed them into the streets in order to kill grieving parents attempting to retrieve the bodies of their young."

The 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment (ACR) arrived in Iraq in 2003 and began attacking insurgents in Fallujah. Last year, they went back for a second tour, this time in Tall Afar. The mayor's letter sums up the result: "This was the situation of our city until God prepared and delivered ... the courageous soldiers of the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, who liberated this city, ridding it of al-Zarqawi's followers after harsh fighting, killing many terrorists and forcing the remaining butchers to flee the city like rats to the surrounding areas, where the bravery of other 3rd ACR soldiers in Sinjar, Rabiah, Zumar and Avgani finally destroyed them."

One of the returning soldiers from this regiment is Chief Warrant Officer Roger Wood of Fort Carson, Colo. Wood, a helicopter pilot, arrived home last weekend. He tells me, "There's a lot of good going on in Iraq," adding that "negative stories" he's seen on the news "are discouraging." Wood says he's noticed a "big difference" since his first tour in 2003 in the way Iraqi soldiers and police operate. He says they are increasingly confident and able to operate independent of American forces. "Iraq will come around," Wood predicts. "Baghdad will take a little longer, but as people see change and acquire hope, we'll see a new Iraq."

The mayor of Tall Afar concludes his letter: "God bless this brave Regiment; God bless the families who dedicated these brave men and women. From the bottom of our hearts we thank the families. They have given us something we will never forget. To the families of those who have given their holy blood for our land, we all bow to you in reverence and to the souls of your loved ones. This sacrifice was not in vain. They are not dead, but alive, and their souls hovering around us every second of every minute. They will never be forgotten for giving their precious lives. ... Let America, their families and the world be proud of their sacrifice for humanity and life."

The U.S. Conference of the World Council of Churches recently condemned U.S policy in Iraq for "raining down terror" on helpless Iraqis. They should talk to the mayor of Tall Afar and tell him to his face they think al-Zarqawi's "reign of terror" should not have been ended

The "cut and run" liberals will alway show their true colors. The American soldiers will to, but it sure as hell will be the opposite of what the liberals show.

This is just more of the same that we've gotten from the liberal media since this war started and more of the same negativity and pessimism that permeates liberals down to the core of their essence.

[linskyjack]

Yes Mulder, I read that fine letter---earlier this week--Whats your point Mulder---that our kids are doing a good job? Everyone agrees with that. Your problem is that you confuse doing a good job with the reality of the situation in Iraq. Dont you ever read the papers--dont you understand that you cant will democracy on a hodge-podge of relgious, cultural and ethnic groups? Why do you continue to confuse the gallant efforts of the ground troops with the impossibility that is Iraq.

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

Dont you ever read the papers

That's precisely the problem--the papers are giving you an extremely one sided negative slant. Papers don't sell by giving people good news--most people are pessimists and misery loves company so they want bad news. You have not learned this lesson in all your years, which is really sad. You still think you are being provided a fair and balanced assessment and you are not being provided anywhere close to that. Rather than listen to news paper reporters or editors, what about listening to the troops themselves? Now there's a novel idea!

BTW--this is not a right/left issue--papers give bad news whether they lean right or left because it sells. The difference is liberals tend to be pessimists by nature whereas conservatives are more optimistic--not just about IRAQ, but about life in general.

[Rep]

Originally Posted by Mulder

That's precisely the problem--the papers are giving you an extremely one sided negative slant. Papers don't sell by giving people good news--most people are pessimists and misery loves company so they want bad news. You have not learned this lesson in all your years, which is really sad. You still think you are being provided a fair and balanced assessment and you are not being provided anywhere close to that. Rather than listen to news paper reporters or editors, what about listening to the troops themselves? Now there's a novel idea!

BTW--this is not a right/left issue--papers give bad news whether they lean right or left because it sells. The difference is liberals tend to be pessimists by nature whereas conservatives are more optimistic--not just about IRAQ, but about life in general.

I like that pessimist spin Mulder. It really does work as a message frame very well. People do want to associate with optimism and will reject pessimism. That is one way in which the right wing has gained power.

Tell people that really do not spend a lot of time thinking about public policy that your is optimistic. Eventually you can get them to vote against their own self interests.

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by Rep

I like that pessimist spin Mulder. It really does work as a message frame very well. People do want to associate with optimism and will reject pessimism. That is one way in which the right wing has gained power.

Tell people that really do not spend a lot of time thinking about public policy that your is optimistic. Eventually you can get them to vote against their own self interests.

This makes no sense. The righ wing as you call it gained power because the left wing had no message and had no plan--it was more of the same that we'd been given for 40 years--hate America, advance the rights of criminals, weak on terror, cutting military budgets, increasing government entitlements, anti-Christian, and the list goes on. People are smarter than what you give them credit for--there's a difference between being pessimistic for pessimism's sake (as with most liberals) and taking positive steps to correct problems. You liberals have not had the answers people wanted which is why you were booted out of office. Now, instead of actually coming up with a plan, you focus entirely on cherry picking where Bush and the Republicans have made mistakes (because God knows liberals never made any mistakes! )--Monday Morning Quaterbacking is your specialty. Come up with the answers people want (positives) and you'll be back in office--its that simple.

Or you can go on rationalizing that your being voted out of office wasn't your fault--your constituents were hoodwinked by the right into voting for an inferior candidate!

[Rep]

Originally Posted by Mulder

This makes no sense. The righ wing as you call it gained power because the left wing had no message and had no plan--it was more of the same that we'd been given for 40 years--hate America, advance the rights of criminals, weak on terror, cutting military budgets, increasing government entitlements, anti-Christian, and the list goes on. People are smarter than what you give them credit for--there's a difference between being pessimistic for pessimism's sake (as with most liberals) and taking positive steps to correct problems. You liberals have not had the answers people wanted which is why you were booted out of office. Now, instead of actually coming up with a plan, you focus entirely on cherry picking where Bush and the Republicans have made mistakes (because God knows liberals never made any mistakes! )--Monday Morning Quaterbacking is your specialty. Come up with the answers people want (positives) and you'll be back in office--its that simple.

Or you can go on rationalizing that your being voted out of office wasn't your fault--your constituents were hoodwinked by the right into voting for an inferior candidate!

Nice comeback. Wrong but nice.

Of course liberals make mistakes. One of the positive things I would say about the faction that took over the old GOP is message. They develop the message and it moves fromn the top down. We liberals could never really agree on anything. We are an independent lot and do not like top down authority figures.

We have the answers. We live them everyday. Great public schools, social security, personal freedom and protections. Our environmental standards protect us as do food, drug and consumer protection laws.

We believe in a strong national defense that does not weaken our country by overspending on outdated military strategies. (Star Wars Wasting).

No, I am optimistic for our future. We need to return power to the people, the states, get intrusive government off of our backs and we will be fine.

Your friend, anti christian, weak on terror, weak on military.....generally hateful of all American, - Rep

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by Rep

We have the answers. We live them everyday. Great public schools,

You mean the ones you've ruined over the past few decades by allowing them to become infested with union thugs? We tried to fix that here in California--can't fire a teacher after two years. The most important job in the world and you can't fire bad teachers! But the unions (you know--the guys that control your party) got out the vote and put and end to that reform. Nice job on that one!

Originally Posted by Rep

social security

Yes--another place you've done a bang up job. The government takes 15% of our money--every single paycheck and most of us don't even see a fraction return. The way to fix that of course, is to remove control of our money from the federal government--Bush and Republicans have tried--you liberals have prevented it at every turn because the 15% is a huge slush fund for you.

Originally Posted by Rep

Personal freedom and protections.

You mean like the government not taking 15% of our pay every week and then using it for purposes other than our retirement?

Originally Posted by Rep

We believe in a strong national defense that does not weaken our country by overspending on outdated military strategies. (Star Wars Wasting).

That's laughable--the technology used in the First Gulf War was all related to Star Wars--you liberals moaned on and on how the techonology wouldn't work and it worked beautifully. Don't try and play the strong on national defense card--your party has been weak on it for decades and Americans know it--you can't full them now with lip service (this is an example, btw--of having a plan and doing what Americans want--most want a strong defense and realize its needed).

Originally Posted by Rep

No, I am optimistic for our future. We need to return power to the people, the states, get intrusive government off of our backs and we will be fine.

Return power to the states? Are you serious? A liberal claiming you would like more power vested in the states! That really really is laughable.