[Rep]

To sustain the war effort, maybe it is time for those College Republicans, led by the Bush twins to head on over. Seventy two percent taking a liberal stand is pretty high.

A very interesting poll. One of the main points of interest for me was, "Three quarters of the troops had served multiple tours and had a longer exposure to the conflict: 26% were on their first tour of duty, 45% were on their second tour, and 29% were in Iraq for a third time or more."

Source: http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075

[angelize56]

Hi Rep! I'd love to see Sarge get home in time for his baby's birth soon! I think this is his third tour in Iraq....I hope he's ok...haven't heard from him in awhile! Get our troops home!!

[WarC]

The US military is a volunteer force.


I know that really pisses you libs off. But it is as it is.

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by WarC

The US military is a volunteer force.


I know that really pisses you libs off. But it is as it is.

Not only that--he completely slants the poll--more lies. Of course the troops want out of Iraq--who wants to stay in that $hit hole. The troops will do whatever their country asks of them--if its 1 year or 5 years.

What is hurting us in Iraq is the liberal lies and distortions--what they have been doing and continue to do is to destroy the morale of the troops in the hopes of promoting failure in Iraq for political gain!

[Mulderator]

Here' is from the same poll:

Asked why they think some Americans favor rapid U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq, 37% of troops serving there said those Americans are unpatriotic, while 20% believe people back home don’t believe a continued occupation will work. Another 16% said they believe those favoring a quick withdrawal do so because they oppose the use of the military in a pre-emptive war, while 15% said they do not believe those Americans understand the need for the U.S. troops in Iraq.

So more than a 1/3rd of our boys and girls feel that liberals are unpatriotic. That's the most telling number to me because it serves to demoralize a large segment of the troops. Good work on that Rep--you should be proud!

[Mulderator]

Reply by Marine to Democrat (Representative John Murtha), a former Marine's disparaging remarks about the military:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...111700794.html

Go to this link to listen:

http://rogerhedgecock.com/content/view/262/59/

to the whole thing or go here:

http://members.cox.net/acemulder/Lib...0Shut%20Up.wmv

for this part:

I have one thing to say to Mr. Murtha, and if he wants to call me personally he can. I would not serve with you today sir, and I am ashamed that you even can claim the title of Marine with me, I am ashamed of that because you have betrayed us—you are holding the proverbial gun to our head and pulling the trigger—we are your brothers in arms and you are betraying us with this ridiculous, outdated, and completely liberalistic view when you have no idea the true goal of why were are over there. We are not trying to westernize Iraq, we are trying to allow them to have some sort of life and you know what, they want it—they want us there---you need to shut your mouth.

You really have to listen to the emotion of this young lady--how proud she is to be a Marine and how utterly disgusted she is with the leftist crap that we are inundated with every day--especially from the usual suspects here in the liberal cesspool that is TSG Civ Debate. She would be disgusted to read this thread no doubt!

[Rep]

Originally Posted by WarC

The US military is a volunteer force.


I know that really pisses you libs off. But it is as it is.

No, does not piss me off. I just can't understand why those that are available and really push for the Bush policies are not stepping up to the plate. Our country is in great need of troops and they ignore the plea.

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by Rep

No, does not piss me off. I just can't understand why those that are available and really push for the Bush policies are not stepping up to the plate. Our country is in great need of troops and they ignore the plea.

What makes you think those that push for the Bush policies are not stepping up to the plate? The majority of the military are Republicans (or perhaps you forgot about the absentee vote fiasco in Florida! ).

As for Bush's daughters, I am sure he believes as I do--women have no business being in combat. Yeah--I'll be called a sexist, but that's my view (Bush can't say that obviously--but I guarantee you he thinks it). I wouldn't want my daughters in any battle. If I had sons, I also wouldn't want them in battle, but if that's what they wanted, I'd support them.

If you had a son in Iraq, I guarantee you you wouldn't make the posts you do--you also would get very angry at a lot of these leftist disparaging posts. Sarge did--he's not right winger (he's a Democrat) but he understands the importance of solidarity in the face of the enemy--far more than you do!

[Rep]

Originally Posted by Mulder

What makes you think those that push for the Bush policies are not stepping up to the plate? The majority of the military are Republicans (or perhaps you forgot about the absentee vote fiasco in Florida! ).

As for Bush's daughters, I am sure he believes as I do--women have no business being in combat. Yeah--I'll be called a sexist, but that's my view (Bush can't say that obviously--but I guarantee you he thinks it). I wouldn't want my daughters in any battle. If I had sons, I also wouldn't want them in battle, but if that's what they wanted, I'd support them.

If you had a son in Iraq, I guarantee you you wouldn't make the posts you do--you also would get very angry at a lot of these leftist disparaging posts. Sarge did--he's not right winger (he's a Democrat) but he understands the importance of solidarity in the face of the enemy--far more than you do!

You are good, my friend. LOL

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by Rep

You are good, my friend. LOL

That's what moonmist tells me!

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by Rep

You are good, my friend. LOL

Don't take too much offense. This is not a Republican/Democrat issue for me. I am really angry at how much damage has been done in Iraq because of poor morale originating from news headlines and views from the left. I realize you people want the troops out of Iraq (so do I), but I am more practical. It ain't gonna happen for another year at least, if not longer--certainly not until after Bush is out of office, no matter how much protesting there is.

[linskyjack]

Originally Posted by WarC

The US military is a volunteer force.


I know that really pisses you libs off. But it is as it is.

Yeah but they dont sign up to have a moron Commander and Chief send them to fight a stupid war in which they have no chance of winning. Wingers, get over it---this was a horrible mistake by an incompent administration. Stop fronting for them because you only make a fool of yourselves. Follow in the footsteps of Bill Buckley and Chuck Hagel and admit that we have lost. Stop defending the continued loss of brave American soldgers in order to prove your bizzare political theory. In other words, act like a patriot, not a lapdog for the radical right. You people are way out of line with the desires of the majority of Americans---including our men in arms!

[Rep]

Originally Posted by Mulder

Don't take too much offense. This is not a Republican/Democrat issue for me. I am really angry at how much damage has been done in Iraq because of poor morale originating from news headlines and views from the left. I realize you people want the troops out of Iraq (so do I), but I am more practical. It ain't gonna happen for another year at least, if not longer--certainly not until after Bush is out of office, no matter how much protesting there is.

I don't necessarily disagree. A mess was made in our name.

It is important that those that planned this mess, or not, take responsibility. It is essential that the political infrastructure that supported this war and the conditions under which we were led there be made open to the American public.

The citizens are beginning to understand. It is more than the President. He is simply the one put there to mouth the rhetoric.

No, it is not the left that is to be blamed Mulder. It is time for the right to take responsibility for what they have done.

[linskyjack]

Of course, Mulder continuely blames the problems in Iraq on liberals at home who are against this war. He refuses to EVER question the entire strategy and the lack of planning that went into this post-war period. He refuses to question the total ignorance that these planners showed vis a vis the cultural and secterian divisions in Iraq! In other words, its the liberals who are the reason this isn't worked out---and that is just disengenousness of the highest order. You should be ashamed of yourself!

[poochee]

Originally Posted by Mulder

What makes you think those that push for the Bush policies are not stepping up to the plate? The majority of the military are Republicans (or perhaps you forgot about the absentee vote fiasco in Florida! ).

Where did you find the statistics for this statement?

Do you have a breakdown between officers and grunts?

Just curious.