[Rep]

Breaking news proves that President Bush lied to the American people.


WASHINGTON (AP) -- In dramatic and sometimes agonizing terms, federal disaster officials warned President Bush and his homeland security chief before Hurricane Katrina struck that the storm could breach levees, put lives at risk in New Orleans' Superdome and overwhelm rescuers, according to confidential video footage.

Bush didn't ask a single question during the final briefing before Katrina struck on Aug. 29, but he assured soon-to-be-battered state officials: ''We are fully prepared.''

The footage -- along with seven days of transcripts of briefings obtained by The Associated Press -- show in excruciating detail that while federal officials anticipated the tragedy that unfolded in New Orleans and elsewhere along the Gulf Coast, they were fatally slow to realize they had not mustered enough resources to deal with the unprecedented disaster.

Linked by secure video, Bush expressed a confidence on Aug. 28 that starkly contrasted with the dire warnings his disaster chief and numerous federal, state and local officials provided during the four days before the storm.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...in&oref=slogin

Apparently the video is available. I have not seen it, has anybody else?

[Mulderator]

LOL--this is really funny. Could you Moore-Ons be any more desperate?

[Wino]

Originally Posted by Rep

Breaking news proves that President Bush lied to the American people.


WASHINGTON (AP) -- In dramatic and sometimes agonizing terms, federal disaster officials warned President Bush and his homeland security chief before Hurricane Katrina struck that the storm could breach levees, put lives at risk in New Orleans' Superdome and overwhelm rescuers, according to confidential video footage.

Bush didn't ask a single question during the final briefing before Katrina struck on Aug. 29, but he assured soon-to-be-battered state officials: ''We are fully prepared.''

The footage -- along with seven days of transcripts of briefings obtained by The Associated Press -- show in excruciating detail that while federal officials anticipated the tragedy that unfolded in New Orleans and elsewhere along the Gulf Coast, they were fatally slow to realize they had not mustered enough resources to deal with the unprecedented disaster.

Linked by secure video, Bush expressed a confidence on Aug. 28 that starkly contrasted with the dire warnings his disaster chief and numerous federal, state and local officials provided during the four days before the storm.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...in&oref=slogin

Apparently the video is available. I have not seen it, has anybody else?

Isn't the first time Bush has lied and certainly won't be the last. I've seen portions of the tape........Brownie actually looked better and more capable than Bush.............but, then, so does my dog.

[Rep]

Originally Posted by Mulder

LOL--this is really funny. Could you Moore-Ons be any more desperate?

A majority of Americans will be outraged when they learn of this. Real people were hurt. Lives have been disrupted.

He could of at least told the truth that he had been warned ahead of time. Nobody blames him for a natural catastrope but his reaction speaks loudly.

He is a weak man, afraid to look human.

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by Rep

A majority of Americans will be outraged when they learn of this. Real people were hurt. Lives have been disrupted.

He could of at least told the truth that he had been warned ahead of time. Nobody blames him for a natural catastrope but his reaction speaks loudly.

He is a weak man, afraid to look human.

Yeah--forget the rhetoric. Could you specifically point out what the lie is? I've seen the video and I never laughed so hard in my life. It reminded me of the videos you see for bigfoot and the LochNess Monster--some guy dramatically twisting a couple of briefings into a helluva lot more than what it was.

Honestly, this is getting to absolutely hysterical proportions. You Moore-Ons will do anyting, say anything, stretch anything to disparage people and its disgusting.

Honestly--what goes around comes around. bassetman came in here the day you got booted out of office claiming that you were ousted based on a bunch of lies by your opponent. Tell me--how does if feel to have been the victim of those lies rather than the perpetrator?

[plschwartz]

Originally Posted by Mulder

LOL--this is really funny. Could you Moore-Ons be any more desperate?

I've told you beforethat a philosophy professor said that the ad hominum arguement is the refuge of knaves.
But all you know is that a knave is a Jack and jack is money. So you hope to get rich by continually attacking ad hominum

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by plschwartz

I've told you beforethat a philosophy professor said that the ad hominum arguement is the refuge of knaves.
But all you know is that a knave is a Jack and jack is money. So you hope to get rich by continually attacking ad hominum

Yeah whatever. Cue that video up and while your at it, cue up the Yetti, the Lochness Monster and Alien visitation!

[trekguy]

Originally Posted by Rep

Breaking news proves that President Bush lied to the American people.


WASHINGTON (AP) -- In dramatic and sometimes agonizing terms, federal disaster officials warned President Bush and his homeland security chief before Hurricane Katrina struck that the storm could breach levees, put lives at risk in New Orleans' Superdome and overwhelm rescuers, according to confidential video footage.

Bush didn't ask a single question during the final briefing before Katrina struck on Aug. 29, but he assured soon-to-be-battered state officials: ''We are fully prepared.''

The footage -- along with seven days of transcripts of briefings obtained by The Associated Press -- show in excruciating detail that while federal officials anticipated the tragedy that unfolded in New Orleans and elsewhere along the Gulf Coast, they were fatally slow to realize they had not mustered enough resources to deal with the unprecedented disaster.

Linked by secure video, Bush expressed a confidence on Aug. 28 that starkly contrasted with the dire warnings his disaster chief and numerous federal, state and local officials provided during the four days before the storm

From MSNBC

Bush declared four days after the storm, “I don’t think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees” that gushed deadly floodwaters into New Orleans. But the transcripts and video show there was plenty of talk about that possibility — and Bush was worried too.

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by trekguy

From MSNBC

Bush declared four days after the storm, “I don’t think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees” that gushed deadly floodwaters into New Orleans. But the transcripts and video show there was plenty of talk about that possibility — and Bush was worried too.

And how is that a lie? Are you saying Bush knew the levies would be breached?

The expert says "I don't think anyone can offer you any assurances whether the levees will be topped or not"

That's hardly a "dire" warning as they describe it. And Bush sits there and says that the Federal government is ready to do whatever was necessary. And they were ready and staged.

We've been through all this ridiculous nonsense already. Bush took responsibility. Now you spineless Moore-Ons are trying to regurgitate the whole sick mess with what amounts to shameless propoganda.

Can you criticize Bush for not being ready? Absolutely. Can you criticize Bush for not doing enough--probably (remember the governors were there--its there job to call in the National Guard--they have that right--why no crticism of them? ). But there is absolutely no way in good conscience you can accuse him of lying.

This is really is not surprising. I don't have much respect for most of you on the left. I had resepct for Rep that's eroded from some of the bitter posts made here lately, but this one takes the cake--compelete loss of respect for you Rep! Spin it as Bush negligence if you want, but to say he lied is to spread lies yourself!

[Rep]

Originally Posted by Mulder

Yeah--forget the rhetoric. Could you specifically point out what the lie is? I've seen the video and I never laughed so hard in my life. It reminded me of the videos you see for bigfoot and the LochNess Monster--some guy dramatically twisting a couple of briefings into a helluva lot more than what it was.

Honestly, this is getting to absolutely hysterical proportions. You Moore-Ons will do anyting, say anything, stretch anything to disparage people and its disgusting.

Honestly--what goes around comes around. bassetman came in here the day you got booted out of office claiming that you were ousted based on a bunch of lies by your opponent. Tell me--how does if feel to have been the victim of those lies rather than the perpetrator?

I don't understand where the rhetoric is. Other than from somebody you happen to disagree with.

Bush said nobody anticipated the levees breaking. He was caught on tape being informed that was a possibility. End of Story. He lied. Rhetoric? Where is it? Oh, of course, my defeat had something to do with it.

I understand it is hard to defend President Bush. You are having difficulty with this and I feel sorry that you placed so much faith in him that you cannot change your mind when overwhelming evidance is brought forward.

[trekguy]

In dramatic and sometimes agonizing terms, federal disaster officials warned President Bush and his homeland security chief before Hurricane Katrina struck that the storm could breach levees...

Bush declared four days after the storm, “I don’t think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees” that gushed deadly floodwaters into New Orleans.

Lie, or no??

[plschwartz]

Lands sake Well I do declare.

I do believe that Mulder is having a struggle with this. That is a moral struggle. Though he has steadfastly supported Bush because Bush has helped Mulder get nearer his dream of being one of the top 0.01% . Even thoughhe has kept that psycopathic Cheney as his ego ideal Mulder can not help feeling some human concerns for those who have been stepped on.
Fight those impluses Mulder and stay true to your dream.Gelt Uber Alles

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by Rep

I don't understand where the rhetoric is. Other than from somebody you happen to disagree with.

Bush said nobody anticipated the levees breaking. He was caught on tape being informed that was a possibility. End of Story. He lied. Rhetoric? Where is it? Oh, of course, my defeat had something to do with it.

I understand it is hard to defend President Bush. You are having difficulty with this and I feel sorry that you placed so much faith in him that you cannot change your mind when overwhelming evidance is brought forward.

So levies "being topped" is the same as levees breaching? And one expert saying "I don't think anyone can offer you any assurances whether the levees will be topped or not" translates into someone "anticipating" the levees would breach? Do you know the difference between "topped" and "breached? Is that synonymous in your vocabulary?

I'm beggining to think that maybe the decision made by your district's constitutuents was the right one? Are these the kinds of lies and misrepresentations you used against him?

People generally tend to see right through stuff like this--at least those with intellectual honesty. We'll see how this plays out, but based on what I've heard, this sounds to me like another Dan Rather hatchet job!

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by trekguy

In dramatic and sometimes agonizing terms, federal disaster officials warned President Bush and his homeland security chief before Hurricane Katrina struck that the storm could breach levees...

Bush declared four days after the storm, “I don’t think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees” that gushed deadly floodwaters into New Orleans.

Lie, or no??

No--because the first line you have underlined is a mistatement of what Bush was told. You Moore-Ons are so easily led around by your noses its like I'm dealing with children.

Go back and listen to the tape and then come back here and tell me the exact "alleged" warning (word for word) that was given.

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by plschwartz

Lands sake Well I do declare.

I do believe that Mulder is having a struggle with this. That is a moral struggle. Though he has steadfastly supported Bush because Bush has helped Mulder get nearer his dream of being one of the top 0.01% . Even thoughhe has kept that psycopathic Cheney as his ego ideal Mulder can not help feeling some human concerns for those who have been stepped on.
Fight those impluses Mulder and stay true to your dream.Gelt Uber Alles

I have a struggle with a cagy expert on the witness stand. I have a struggle with a competent attorney on the other side (like GB). I don't struggle with making you look like a fool. In fact, I rather enjoy it! But I prefer it when your drunk--come back after you've tied one one!