[LANMaster]

Extremists of any stripe can point to passages in their sacred texts and find a context in which to harm someone else.
This has happened throughout history, and many have died at the hands of lunatics who take peaceful worship and turn it into oppressive force.

Today, this is happening to Islam. And if successful, these fanatics will cause a global hatred of Islam and even moderate Muslims for sitting on their hands and even supporting attacks on civilian populations in the name of their "peaceful" religion.

Right now, I am calling upon any Muslims who read this to stand up and fight to save your religion from what would likely be an unfair persecution, the likes of which no religion has ever witnessed.

The article below struck a chord in me that all of Islam will be, for the most part, unfairly blamed for the actions of a few hundred thousand radicals.

Doomsday for Islam?

By Robert Pfriender

The focus on the ports fiasco obviously would pale in comparison to a terror nuke actually detonating in one of our ports. But what about the flipside of that terrible event? What would happen to Islam as a result of a massive nuclear retaliatory counterstrike against Islamic targets?

Perhaps this week's most ominous headline was "Islamic websites carry al-Qaida's Last Warning." The story in WorldNetDaily detailed how Osama bin Laden's terror group plans to bring destruction upon the United States and force it into surrender. Apparently this is more of the same threat that has been circulating for some time that al-Qaida plans to detonate seven nuclear warheads it claims to have acquired from Pakistan and the former Soviet Union in the United States. There have also been accompanying threats that al-Qaida planned to follow up the nuclear attacks with crop-dusting planes that would spread smallpox on American cities.

Despite grandiose plans for such an attack on the United States, bin Laden has again failed to understand the nature of the American spirit and the likely vengeance such an attack would unleash from American military strategic nuclear forces. Since the United States entered the era of nuclear weapons technology many decades ago, it has always had detailed contingency plans on how the country would respond in a nuclear crisis.

Perhaps best known among those contingency plans is the one drawn up during the Cold War with the Soviets commonly described as "MAD," or Mutual Assured Destruction. Simply, MAD is the doctrine whereby the United States sought to dissuade its adversaries from ever even considering a nuclear attack against our country by assuring that such an attempt would be met with such a hyper-violent nuclear response that would undoubtedly result in the annihilation of not just the United States, but also the enemy that initiated the attack.

For some odd reason, bin Laden and his fanatical associates seem to believe that the United States would back down in the face of a nuclear terror attack. It would seem that their psychotic thought processes have blinded their judgment in a profound and ultimately self-destructive way. Their warped perception leads them to believe that such an attack could not be traced back to their hands and hence the United States would be left with no retaliation targets. They obviously fail to see the difference between tactical and strategic planning and this error may ultimately lead Islam to disaster.

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A terror nuke attack upon the United States would undoubtedly unleash a response by American strategic nuclear forces so violent and so encompassing that the very future of Islamic society around the world would likely be permanently wiped from the face of the planet.

Bear in mind the reality of such an attack against the United States. Not only would the United States not be chastised by the international community for such a massive counterstrike, but no one in the American government would likely care about what others think under such circumstances. While we're busy throwing all those retaliatory nukes around, who is going to standup and object? Certainly, it won't be Russia to complain since they have their own serious radical Islam problem to deal with in former republics on its borders.

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The likely target list for retaliation for a nuclear terror attack against the United States includes Iran, Syria, and Libya as the primary targets. We can supplement those targets with countries such as Saudi Arabia – where most of the 9-11 terrorists came from (and that are most likely targeted with the "neutron bomb" designed with such a scenario in mind that kills with enhanced radiation levels but essentially leaves facilities and oil infrastructure intact – except for holy sites such as Mecca, Medina, Hebron, Qom and others, which planners might want to completely annihilate). There are likely other "Islamic" countries also on the potential target list and even ones we generally consider as being friendly to the U.S. such as Pakistan, especially if radicals gained control of its nuclear weapons.

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Considering the huge number of nuclear weapons in the United State's inventory, there would be no need to pick and choose targets for economy purposes. While bin Laden's claim that he has a few nukes (which may or may not be still operational) may turn out to be true, there is the utmost certainty that the United States has a huge number (somewhere in the thousands) of extremely well-maintained and very reliable nuclear warheads in all shapes and sizes for every possible purpose.

A nuclear attack on America by al-Qaida would – by many informed accounts – lead to a renewed crusade to destroy Islam throughout the world. Bin Laden's grandiose plan to destroy modern civilization and restore some absurd form of radical Islamic rule throughout the entire world will undoubtedly have exactly the opposite effect. Already we see a tremendous backlash against most things Islamic, the recent port fiasco is a perfect case in point. Imagine the reaction after a nuke attack.

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Absent an international movement by those in the moderate Islamic community – who can and should be able to locate and bring Mr. bin Laden and his despicable cohorts to justice – he just might one day make good on his threat to nuke America.

In his fanatical zeal to convert the entire world to radical Islam, there will be two groups of victims resulting from bin Laden's insanity – innocent people just wanting to live their normal lives here in our country, and Islam itself with its followers throughout the world. Such a result would hardy be considered a noble pursuit and or end-result by people who claim to be the servants of their God.

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[iltos]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Extremists of any stripe can point to passages in their sacred texts and find a context in which to harm someone else.
This has happened throughout history, and many have died at the hands of lunatics who take peaceful worship and turn it into oppressive force.

Today, this is happening to Islam. And if successful, these fanatics will cause a global hatred of Islam and even moderate Muslims for sitting on their hands and even supporting attacks on civilian populations in the name of their "peaceful" religion.

Right now, I am calling upon any Muslims who read this to stand up and fight to save your religion from what would likely be an unfair persecution, the likes of which no religion has ever witnessed.

The article below struck a chord in me that all of Islam will be, for the most part, unfairly blamed for the actions of a few hundred thousand radicals.

Doomsday for Islam?

By Robert Pfriender



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cool, LAN....a conservative like you and a liberal like me seein' eye to eye on this....must be something to our two threads showing up so close together

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by iltos

cool, LAN....a conservative like you and a liberal like me seein' eye to eye on this....must be something to our two threads showing up so close together

I have no interest in seeing Muslims persecuted.

[Fidelista]

"The likely target list for retaliation for a nuclear terror attack against the United States includes Iran, Syria, and Libya as the primary targets. We can supplement those targets with countries such as Saudi Arabia – where most of the 9-11 terrorists came from (and that are most likely targeted with the "neutron bomb" designed with such a scenario in mind that kills with enhanced radiation levels but essentially leaves facilities and oil infrastructure intact – except for holy sites such as Mecca, Medina, Hebron, Qom and others, which planners might want to completely annihilate). There are likely other "Islamic" countries also on the potential target list and even ones we generally consider as being friendly to the U.S. such as Pakistan, especially if radicals gained control of its nuclear weapons."
This is one of silliest posts I have read in a long time, the fantasies of the fringe!
Reminds me of the crackpot email stuff circulating.
From the source website { wmd fantasies } it is not unexpected.
Think about it-- wmd attack by a small non-Govt force and response is ---nuke 1/4 of the earths population??? Attack everybody based on percentage of Islamic population?? Attack even our allies {such as they be}---innocents by multi-millions --Govts with no knowlege or guilt??.
Are we to wipe out over a billion people for attack by say ---20 criminals because of the dominant religion?.
If this is case, maybe we should attack ALL Islamic nations based on 9-11 -- OBL.
Kill them all --let God sort them out?.
If this were case-- the whole Islamic world should go for it now--- for they will surely be wiped out for some act by militants--somewhere --at sometime.
Thankfully , we don't have a insane policy such as this.
Don't get me wrong, I would use all our arsenal to protect this nation {U.S} --including nuclear, but this is the stuff ----- this is the stuff that gives right-wing crackpots wet dreams.
If a nation ---such as Iran -- N. Korea or any --attacked ---I would --god help me, push the damn buttons, and live with results.
I am leftist, but no pacifist. I have family---much to protect, like we all do.
This article is ........... crazy talk.
If you guys can't see this -- you are nuts.
>f

[iltos]

Originally Posted by Fidelista

"The likely target list for retaliation for a nuclear terror attack against the United States includes Iran, Syria, and Libya as the primary targets. We can supplement those targets with countries such as Saudi Arabia – where most of the 9-11 terrorists came from (and that are most likely targeted with the "neutron bomb" designed with such a scenario in mind that kills with enhanced radiation levels but essentially leaves facilities and oil infrastructure intact – except for holy sites such as Mecca, Medina, Hebron, Qom and others, which planners might want to completely annihilate). There are likely other "Islamic" countries also on the potential target list and even ones we generally consider as being friendly to the U.S. such as Pakistan, especially if radicals gained control of its nuclear weapons."
This is one of silliest posts I have read in a long time, the fantasies of the fringe!
Reminds me of the crackpot email stuff circulating.
From the source website { wmd fantasies } it is not unexpected.
Think about it-- wmd attack by a small non-Govt force and response is ---nuke 1/4 of the earths population??? Attack everybody based on percentage of Islamic population?? Attack even our allies {such as they be}---innocents by multi-millions --Govts with no knowlege or guilt??.
Are we to wipe out over a billion people for attack by say ---20 criminals because of the dominant religion?.
If this is case, maybe we should attack ALL Islamic nations based on 9-11 -- OBL.
Kill them all --let God sort them out?.
If this were case-- the whole Islamic world should go for it now--- for they will surely be wiped out for some act by militants--somewhere --at sometime.
Thankfully , we don't have a insane policy such as this.
Don't get me wrong, I would use all our arsenal to protect this nation {U.S} --including nuclear, but this is the stuff ----- this is the stuff that gives right-wing crackpots wet dreams.
If a nation ---such as Iran -- N. Korea or any --attacked ---I would --god help me, push the damn buttons, and live with results.
I am leftist, but no pacifist. I have family---much to protect, like we all do.
This article is ........... crazy talk.
If you guys can't see this -- you are nuts.
>f

armageddon, you say, fidelista?

i agree with your pov...it IS nuts...completely...but this entire issue borders on sprialling out of control, imo....and, at the very least, i believe that LAN understands that their are crackpots everywhere

this is not JUST about identifying and "managing" the destructive forces in islam....it strikes me as also identifying and managing a deep and smoldering bitterness...some of it faith based on both sides, some of it political on both sides

i don't agree with the analysis at all...but LAN's headed in the right direction with it, and i applaud that move.

[izme]

If we chose to genocide Islam, are we any better that the terrorist's or any other sick country or person that inhabit's this earth?

We are talking about genocide when peace and diplomacy (somehow) sounds far more feasible....thousands of years, many tyrants and we still haven't learned a thing....when no blade of grass still exist's and humankind is wiped from the face of this planet...will we then learn?

[izme]

A sister of a terrorist says to her mommy, "After Abdul blows up, can I have his room?"

[Knotbored]

I think Lanmasters statement is clear, acurate, persuasive and states a logical position for Muslims to consider. I think the quoted article is much more of a doosday statement and doesn't match either government or individuals position.

I don't fear massive attacts against Muslim cities, I fear my emotions would parallel the way USA and Europe persecuted German and Asian persons durring the WW2 if the insane terrorists continue to lay claim to that peaseful religion.

[linskyjack]

Izme--you should enter that in the contest that Mastercard is running---Great prizes and that would defiantely win.

[izme]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

Izme--you should enter that in the contest that Mastercard is running---Great prizes and that would defiantely win.

Just goes to show you

Mess with America....and you get burned

[TooBad]

Originally Posted by izme

If we chose to genocide Islam, are we any better that the terrorist's or any other sick country or person that inhabit's this earth?

We are talking about genocide when peace and diplomacy (somehow) sounds far more feasible....thousands of years, many tyrants and we still haven't learned a thing....when no blade of grass still exist's and humankind is wiped from the face of this planet...will we then learn?

Diplomacy??? What are you talking about?? You can't reason with these fanatics! They are willing to die and have a 1,000 year plan to achieve victory. With our stupid limited foresight and ADHD we can't seem to go 1 year without forgetting what has happened and what will happen. The Islamofacists have given us 3 options (although the timetable is long and therefore, liberal idiots will say it is not a threat) 1- convert to islam, 2- fight until the radicals have no ability to continue, 3- DIE! Those are the demands that they have made and have been making at least since 1983 and probably since the 1400s. WTFU (= wake up).

[izme]

Originally Posted by TooBad

Diplomacy??? What are you talking about?? You can't reason with these fanatics! They are willing to die and have a 1,000 year plan to achieve victory. With our stupid limited foresight and ADHD we can't seem to go 1 year without forgetting what has happened and what will happen. The Islamofacists have given us 3 options (although the timetable is long and therefore, liberal idiots will say it is not a threat) 1- convert to islam, 2- fight until the radicals have no ability to continue, 3- DIE! Those are the demands that they have made and have been making at least since 1983 and probably since the 1400s. WTFU (= wake up).

Perhaps someday they will chose diplomatic channels and peace....at least many of us hope so...if not...well then we kick their sorry arses and send them to be with mohammed...wherever that may be

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by Knotbored

I think Lanmasters statement is clear, acurate, persuasive and states a logical position for Muslims to consider. I think the quoted article is much more of a doosday statement and doesn't match either government or individuals position.

I don't fear massive attacts against Muslim cities, I fear my emotions would parallel the way USA and Europe persecuted German and Asian persons durring the WW2 if the insane terrorists continue to lay claim to that peaseful religion.

Glad to see somebody understood the message of this thread.

This is not about threatening Muslims. It is, however, a prediction of American emotion if the radicals achieve the destruction that they openly claim to be planning against innocents.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by izme

If we chose to genocide Islam, are we any better that the terrorist's or any other sick country or person that inhabit's this earth?

We are talking about genocide when peace and diplomacy (somehow) sounds far more feasible....thousands of years, many tyrants and we still haven't learned a thing....when no blade of grass still exist's and humankind is wiped from the face of this planet...will we then learn?

Dude, you totally missed the point of the thread.


What are you going to think of Islam if nukes are simultaneously detonated in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, New York, Kansas City, Miami, and Seattle too - killing millions of innocent Americans at each location, and in the name of Islam ... What do you think America will think of the moderate Muslim next door who sat back and refused to condemn the radicals?

Nobody is advocating that America pre-emptively start launching ICBMs at Muslim centers.

But one must wonder what America's response would be IF the radicals were able to achieve what they have been threatening, not only to the Muslim centers that have been preaching "Death to America" but also to your local neighborhood mosque patron.

Clear as mud now?

[izme]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Dude, you totally missed the point of the thread.


What are you going to think of Islam if nukes are simultaneously detonated in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, New York, Kansas City, Miami, and Seattle killing millions at each location, and in the name of Islam, what do you think America will think of the moderate Muslim next door who sat back and refused to condemn the radicals?

Nobody is advocating that America pre-emptively start launching ICBMs at Muslim centers.

But one must wonder what America's response would be IF the radicals were able to achieve what they have been threatening.

Clear as mud now?

I didn't miss anything Lan I totally understand their motives and what they want to do.....it's just that if they decide to Nuke us then god help us all...because it's over for all human kind...the detonation of nukes by these terrorist's leads to the unleashing of all the worlds technological fury...I guess the cockroaches and rats will inherit the earth

We all must search for real answers to this dilemma or we all die!
Clear as mud now?