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14-May-2006, 09:59 AM #1
Socialized Capitalism, second edition
Since the first edition has been hijacked by some forty or so posts which have nothing to do with the topic, I'll give it another try:

People say we have capitalism in the United States, which we do. But having capitalism is something like having religion. It can cover a multitude of saints and sinners. What kind of capitalism do we have?

We started out with largely unregulated capitalism. However, we found that largely unregulated capitalism didn’t work because it begot such evils as child labor, unsafe working conditions, exploitation of the poor through long working hours and poverty level wages, unsafe food and drugs, exploitation of natural resources and the environment, deception of consumers, dishonest and fraudulent business practices, etc. It became clear that in order for capitalism to work in a fair and balanced way, it had to be socialized, that is, made fit to live among the people without exploiting them. That is why there have been laws and regulations to rein in raw, unregulated capitalism.

It is still capitalism, but it bears little resemblance to the predatory capitalism of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. These various laws and regulations may be said to have the purpose of socializing predatory capitalism so as to make it fit for the general population in the same sense that we socialize children and animals so that they can fit comfortably into society without hurting society too much.

The genius of capitalism is that it gives people freedom to do as they want, so that their instincts for improving their own personal lot can result in improving the lot of society as a whole. In effect, it puts man’s greed to work for the benefit of all. But greed is not inherently concerned with the rights of others, so, left untended, greed will find a way to exploit rather than benefit. It is like a campfire that initially warms people but, left untended, reaches out to devour the forest, or like a wild horse that can be of great service to man but only if it is socialized, that is, only if reins are put on it to control it.

So, laws and regulations are put in place are to rein in man’s greed, to socialize capitalism so that it can benefit society without exploiting it. Socialize in a sense similar to the way owners socialize dogs, prisons attempt to socialize criminals, and juvenile detention facilities attempt to socialize delinquents so that society can benefit from their presence without being victimized. Domesticate and tame might also be used to describe the process.

Because of this socialization of capitalism, we now have child labor laws, wage and hour laws, industrial safety laws, food and drug laws, business regulation laws, securities regulation laws, environmental protection laws, usury laws, deceptive advertising laws, consumer protection laws, etc.

Capitalism has proved its worth. It has catapulted the US into first place in world economies. But it is not the predatory capitalism of the past but the present socialized capitalism that has given the United States its greatness. It is, however, an never-ending process. Greed cannot be eliminated, only controlled. So greed will continue to look for ways to exploit, and we must continue to look for ways to regulate. The Enron type scandals are a good example of this.
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Now stop it. GP7 wants to have an intelligent discussion. Just let people who wish to do so respond to this thread.
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Now stop it. GP7 wants to have an intelligent discussion. Just let people who wish to do so respond to this thread.
I need a better reason than that gb.
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I need a better reason than that gb.

He, GP7, runs a substantial risk that the silence will be deafening.
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Since the first edition has been hijacked by some forty or so posts which have nothing to do with the topic, I'll give it another try:
I'm following this tread and I still agree with you!

Now waiting to be called simplistic again!

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14-May-2006, 11:15 AM #7
can I have the cowbell in this thread, or did someone already take it?
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14-May-2006, 11:17 AM #8
deja vu all over again




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14-May-2006, 11:25 AM #9
While only two or three of the 50 plus responses to my original thread were relevant to the issue, it has had over 500 views, and not a single dissent of any substance. That is gratifying. It's true that 100 or more of these veiws may be attributed to the pests who follow me around like little puppy dogs (when will they invent a Raid that you can use on the internet?), still that leaves quite a few. Of course, many rational and civil people who might otherwise want to comment are, I am sure, deterred by the garbage that gets regularly strewn into most worthwhile threads on the forum, but that is the nature of political discussion forums and there is no way to change it.
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Good post....gp7.....................
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14-May-2006, 11:33 AM #11
Actually, some of us are waiting for the real stuff to begin. You can't possibly know the reasons every one of the viewers is viewing for GP7.
I really like watching when the thread moves from its initial stage into really expressing the views. But if you keep jumping the threads, and re-inventing it, that won't have as good of a chance of happening.
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good post poochee......
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14-May-2006, 12:43 PM #14
I'm going to close this thread.

I'm also going to warn some of you that posting intentionally irrelevant remarks violates forum rules.

If I see much more of it, no matter who it is I will disable their accounts for a number of days.

And I'm going to add a comment here to GP7 -- if you want to keep a thread on topic, you must continue to respond to it yourself. Use the "reply in quote" option to quote the last signficant, relevant comment to which you have a response.

If you don't keep involved yourself, you can't expect others to follow a logical course. If people appear to intentionally and persistently post irrelevant comments, we can deal with that if you call it to our attention.
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