[johnnyburst79]

I have read alot of threads on here. I have seen alot of news stories from overseas and national news. We have people being tortured while in illegal US custody. We have used weapons banned under international law that WE signed. We are fighting two wars in Arab countries and both are descending into anarchy. Our rights to privacy and to be safe from government control are being, and have been, stripped away.

There is nothing but fact to support what the current administration and Congress has done. America's "leaders" have violated international law, the US Constitution, and federal law. A war is being waged ever so subltey against the rights of the people that most do not even notice. This is not hearsay. This is published fact, not denied by anyone except those who turn the facts into something the President has deemed legal.

Our enviornment is being destroyed on an epic scale and the Presidents science advisor calls it a shift in momentum.

My question is, When will we, as a people, take all the information we have gathered and use it to pull the government back into check? Who has the ability and desire to buck the government and demand a return to the US being a pacifist nation. Why can't we do this now? What will it take for us to do this now? If not now, how long will the wait be before someone does? How do you start the necessary action to remove the current government.

[Gibble]

Wait for an election and vote. It's not a dictatorship.

[Chicon]

Originally Posted by vbneteng

... Who has the ability and desire to buck the government and demand a return to the US being a pacifist nation. Why can't we do this now? What will it take for us to do this now? If not now, how long will the wait be before someone does? How do you start the necessary action to remove the current government.

Except the removal of the actual government, what your fellow citizens and you are ready to do in foreign policies ?

[iltos]

Originally Posted by vbneteng

I have read alot of threads on here. I have seen alot of news stories from overseas and national news. We have people being tortured while in illegal US custody. We have used weapons banned under international law that WE signed. We are fighting two wars in Arab countries and both are descending into anarchy. Our rights to privacy and to be safe from government control are being, and have been, stripped away.

There is nothing but fact to support what the current administration and Congress has done. America's "leaders" have violated international law, the US Constitution, and federal law. A war is being waged ever so subltey against the rights of the people that most do not even notice. This is not hearsay. This is published fact, not denied by anyone except those who turn the facts into something the President has deemed legal.

Our enviornment is being destroyed on an epic scale and the Presidents science advisor calls it a shift in momentum.

My question is, When will we, as a people, take all the information we have gathered and use it to pull the government back into check? Who has the ability and desire to buck the government and demand a return to the US being a pacifist nation. Why can't we do this now? What will it take for us to do this now? If not now, how long will the wait be before someone does? How do you start the necessary action to remove the current government.

it's an excellent question, and in many ways, applies to both republicans and democrats alike....it will be interesting to see how this plays out as a thread on this site, where so many take the political bickering as sport

it important to recognize too, tho, that many folks simply do not agree with some of the concerns you've listed as being evidence of a runaway government.

for myself, i question whether, in general, america could have ever been considered "pacifist".....isolationist at times, certainly, but it seems to me that we have taken the manifest destiny thing very literally throughout the course of our history, believing, for a variety of reasons, that our freedom and our wealth have given us the authority on this planet to excerise our beliefs almost at will.

[ekim68]

IMO the first thing should be to put the fairness doctrine back into play for the media.
It was taken out during the Reagan years. The major media just hasn't done its job as
the fourth estate.

[johnnyburst79]

No, its not. But vote for who? The same group of people who have led this country to where it currently stands? How about an erasure of the current gov't and installation of a new one?

[bassetman]

Hoprfully this Fall we can send a message to congress that we do not support blind followers of brother GW Bush!

[Chicon]

Originally Posted by vbneteng

No, its not. But vote for who? The same group of people who have led this country to where it currently stands? How about an erasure of the current gov't and installation of a new one?

Are you planning a revolution or a coup d'etat ?

[iltos]

Originally Posted by vbneteng

No, its not. But vote for who? The same group of people who have led this country to where it currently stands? How about an erasure of the current gov't and installation of a new one?

gibs is right....voting is still essential....it also points out that this change some of us would like to see tomorrow is actually just a process....

even if the vast majority decided it was time today to effect change, it'd take a long time to realize it in the sense it seems your talking about

vote 3rd party...excersise your right to choose an alternative to the status quo.

[johnnyburst79]

Originally Posted by Chicon

Except the removal of the actual government, what your fellow citizens and you are ready to do in foreign policies ?

I don't understand your question.

Originally Posted by iltos

america could have ever been considered "pacifist"

No time like the present.

Originally Posted by iltos

it important to recognize too, tho, that many folks simply do not agree with some of the concerns you've listed as being evidence of a runaway government.

What will they wait for? A curfew installed? KGB-like tactics? Military roaming the streets looking for "terrorists" or illegal aliens?

[Gibble]

Originally Posted by vbneteng

What will they wait for? A curfew installed? KGB-like tactics? Military roaming the streets looking for "terrorists" or illegal aliens?

Are your knees sore?

What makes you think this would EVER happen!??

[johnnyburst79]

Originally Posted by Chicon

Are you planning a revolution or a coup d'etat ?

haha. I wish. But I don't think people could grasp the concept. I would be willing to go along with one though.

[BanditFlyer]

Originally Posted by Gibble

Wait for an election and vote.

That's simply not good enough anymore : http://forums.techguy.org/3672921-post1.html

[johnnyburst79]

Originally Posted by Gibble

Are your knees sore?

What makes you think this would EVER happen!??

No. Why would my knee's be sore? Sorry, I failed sarcasm class.

Why would this ever happen? If the government became concerened about their hold on power. If the government continued its trend and policies and people became aware of these actions and wanted the gov't held accountable.

[Chicon]

Originally Posted by vbneteng

I don't understand your question.

You seem to reject the vote system and you're talking about erasure of the actual government in order to have a new one.
There are only two possible ways left to replace the government without election : revolution or coup d'etat !