[Ciberblade]

Part statement, part question....all call to action.

In the '08 elections, it seems vital to this country that only Democrats be elected. Every local, state, and federal office available to be held by election should be won by a Democrat! We can put aside the fact that this is the natural state of things and focus upon the issues at hand.

When this happens, and Democrats control every aspect of all government -- what would the result be in: economy, education, healthcare, Iraq, personal freedoms, security, etc....?¿

[Gibble]

DOOM!

[BanditFlyer]

My own personal opinion is that the economy, mainly due to reasons of demographics will continue to surge ahead as it has been doing until 2015 or so, regardless of who gets elected. After that, I think it'll tank, again, regardless of who gets elected. We're only a few years shy of Japan's situation circa 1989 - meaning 20 years of recession due to a shift in demographics.

I'm gonna do a "IMO" on that one as a disclaimer, though

[ekim68]

I guess it depends on how you're doing now. The republicans have had congress for ten
years and had all the branches of government for the last five years. So, if your own life
has been good during this time, then you might want to worry if the dems take it back.
If things haven't been going your way, then maybe a change will be good.

[Ciberblade]

Gibs ~ that helps....thanks

BF ~ you've noted something....but not sure it can be attributed only to demographics though

Ekim ~ I've done the range -- been layed off, which became one of the better things that could have happened to me. But that begs the question of exactly how much influence they have in daily life. And economically speaking....the delayed nature of the beast makes it more difficult to attribute the cause and effects of differing policies.

[Lpar]

I think, honestly, that if the dems win it will obviously takes years to undo what the repubs have done. However, once the dems get some power the repubs will blame dems for the whole mess that has been building up since 2000. And becasue of the spin, the dems would then lose the big race come 2008. So it is my hope that the dems lose the house by a small margin so that they can't be blamed for Bush's mess.

[Ciberblade]

Originally Posted by Lpar

I think, honestly, that if the dems win it will obviously takes years to undo what the repubs have done. However, once the dems get some power the repubs will blame dems for the whole mess that has been building up since 2000. And becasue of the spin, the dems would then lose the big race come 2008. So it is my hope that the dems lose the house by a small margin so that they can't be blamed for Bush's mess.

That's quite vague! Would you mind being a bit more specific? Like, what has been done that needs undoing and how that would get done that would cause blame. Thanks

[ACTU]

The real point about politics is. That the republicans are just as retarded as the Democrats.

None is better then the other now a days.

[linskyjack]

1. Roll back tax breaks----balancing of the budget
2. Timetable for withdrawl from Iraq-----and refocusing on Afghanistan
3. Better court appointees--no more right wing judicial activists
4. Better relations with countries around the world.
5. Higher level of competence in running the country
6. Better chance of actually dealing with fuel crisis----
7. No more political ammendments proposed to the Constutition
8. Much less corruption----
9. Right wing attack on the Clean Air Act and other pro-enviornment issues will end
10. Genuine election reform will take place.

[Lpar]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

1. Roll back tax breaks----balancing of the budget
2. Timetable for withdrawl from Iraq-----and refocusing on Afghanistan
3. Better court appointees--no more right wing judicial activists
4. Better relations with countries around the world.
5. Higher level of competence in running the country
6. Better chance of actually dealing with fuel crisis----
7. No more political ammendments proposed to the Constutition
8. Much less corruption----

What he said.
For the most part. I fear there will be corruption no matter what.
But man, I'd sure like to see some of that Iraq money spent here in the USA. A decent public education is actually becoming out of reach for many in the cities and ill-funded rural communities. A public secondary education is almost not worth the money anymore. I have a co worker who just had to pay $14000 for his son to attend a PUBLIC UNIVERSITY.

I truly think that Thomas Jefferson must be rolling in his grave about now. Didn't he call for revolution every ten years? We're overdue for a breakdown and rebuild.

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

1. Roll back tax breaks----balancing of the budget

Democrats were in power for 40 plus years and we never had a balanced budget. First time it ever happened was right after Republicans took control of the Congrees. Hmmm?

Originally Posted by linskyjack

3. Better court appointees--no more right wing judicial activists

Yeah, we need more lefties who vote to allow the government to take private properties to further business opportunities and to protect the rights of child molesters!

Originally Posted by linskyjack

4. Better relations with countries around the world.

Yes--they were fantastic when Clinton was President!

Originally Posted by linskyjack

5. Higher level of competence in running the country

LOL! Like Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean, Barbara Boxer, Maxine Waters and Hillary Clinton.

Anyone here who sees the level of competency of those of us on the right here compared to you Moore-Ons on the left realizes that Republicans are far more rational and competent than Democrats could ever hope to be? Gbrumb and Mulder vs. Linsky and bassetman ought to be fair!

Originally Posted by linskyjack

6. Better chance of actually dealing with fuel crisis----

LOL! again--you mean like the additional taxes that Democrats will impose on gasoline! This is the most hilarious argument I've seen from the Moore-Ons--that Democrats will somehow make the price of gas go down!

Aren't these the same kooks that just met for "solidarity" in raising the MW to help the poor? Find an economist that agrees with that strategy!

8. Much less corruption----

Actually, there is far more corruption with Democrats in office--facts Linsky--check the number of Democrats over the past 20 years indicted compared to Republicans--far more Democrats are on the wrong side of the law.

You are too hysterical--a real Moore-On!

[Mulderator]

For anyone interested, there is a book that has researched corruption in the two parties and found Democrats outnumber Republicans by a 3 to 1 margin. I find it humous that a party that affiliates with the mob controlled unions and fixed electiions (and this was proven, not the nonsense about the 2004 elections being stolen) in Chicago by the Daly mob acuses Republicans of corruption:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/159...222505-5395808

Donkey Cons : Sex, Crime, and Corruption in the Democratic Party (Hardcover)

Shameless bribery. Illicit sex. Sweeping corruption.

"The Democratic Party is like the Gambino mob, but with matching federal funds."

In this raucous, head-spinning look at the follies and felonies of today's most famous and infamous liberals, journalists Lynn Vincent and Robert Stacy McCain chronicle for the first time the rampant crime, sex, and corruption of the Democratic Party. Donkey Cons reveals:

How corrupt Democrats in Congress outnumber corrupt Republicans by as much as three to one.
How Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, and John F. Kennedy were elected with the help of the Mob.
What two eyewitnesses said about JFK's obsession with hookers.
How union operatives take from working families to deliver millions of dollars to Democrats.
How Democrats in the 1990's covered up a conspiracy one expert called "the largest incidence of obstruction of justice in American history."
Why Democrats ignore crime victims and take the side of rapists, robbers, and cop-killers-then stump for the right of felons to vote!
From bribery, kickbacks, and sex scandals to espionage, terrorism, and rape, what was once the "Party of the People" has become a party with an appallingly long rap sheet. And this hard-hitting, sad-but-funny expose of the crimes of the Democratic Party finally puts all their misdeeds into perspective. Thoroughly researched, using outrageous anecdotes and intimate details, Donkey Cons shows that the serial corruption of the Clinton presidency wasn't an anomaly but a developing, unnerving pattern in the modern Democratic ethos. These are the stories the Democrats don't want you to read!

Excellent book on the rampant corruption in the Democratic party!

Donkey Cons! I love that title!

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by Lpar

What he said.
For the most part. I fear there will be corruption no matter what.
But man, I'd sure like to see some of that Iraq money spent here in the USA. A decent public education is actually becoming out of reach for many in the cities and ill-funded rural communities. A public secondary education is almost not worth the money anymore. I have a co worker who just had to pay $14000 for his son to attend a PUBLIC UNIVERSITY.

I truly think that Thomas Jefferson must be rolling in his grave about now. Didn't he call for revolution every ten years? We're overdue for a breakdown and rebuild.

Blame that on the unions my friend--we spend more money on education than any other country in the world and have some of the lowest scores and the sole reason for that is unions (backed by the Democratic party) control the schools and most of our tax dollars go to paying huge administrative salaries. Teachers can't be fired--its a disgusting example of what political corruption does.

Take a look at the chart below which shows the amount of money donated to political parties by various organizations.

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/index.asp



8 of the top 10 are unions and the other one is the Trial Lawyers who also have Democrats in their back pockets. You hypocrites in the Democatic party want to talk about corruption, there it is in black and white. For all the claims of big business backing Republicans, it is in fact the unions that have destroyed our education system--they have Democrats in their back pockets. And like idiots you people keep falling for the "we need more tax dollars for our children's education" nonsense. The saying a sucker is born every minute applies to any person that votes Democrat because you are backing absolute corruption and its right there in black and white--facts don't lie--follow the money trail to the corruption.

You want continued corruption, pi$$-poor public education, ever increasing taxes, recessions, and a party fighting for the rights of criminals, then vote Democrat!

[bassetman]

Originally Posted by Lpar

I think, honestly, that if the dems win it will obviously takes years to undo what the repubs have done. However, once the dems get some power the repubs will blame dems for the whole mess that has been building up since 2000. And becasue of the spin, the dems would then lose the big race come 2008. So it is my hope that the dems lose the house by a small margin so that they can't be blamed for Bush's mess.

I think your predictions are correct.

[ACTU]

Originally Posted by Mulder

Democrats were in power for 40 plus years and we never had a balanced budget. First time it ever happened was right after Republicans took control of the Congrees. Hmmm?



Yeah, we need more lefties who vote to allow the government to take private properties to further business opportunities and to protect the rights of child molesters!



Yes--they were fantastic when Clinton was President!



LOL! Like Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean, Barbara Boxer, Maxine Waters and Hillary Clinton.

Anyone here who sees the level of competency of those of us on the right here compared to you Moore-Ons on the left realizes that Republicans are far more rational and competent than Democrats could ever hope to be? Gbrumb and Mulder vs. Linsky and bassetman ought to be fair!



LOL! again--you mean like the additional taxes that Democrats will impose on gasoline! This is the most hilarious argument I've seen from the Moore-Ons--that Democrats will somehow make the price of gas go down!

Aren't these the same kooks that just met for "solidarity" in raising the MW to help the poor? Find an economist that agrees with that strategy!



Actually, there is far more corruption with Democrats in office--facts Linsky--check the number of Democrats over the past 20 years indicted compared to Republicans--far more Democrats are on the wrong side of the law.

You are too hysterical--a real Moore-On!

Far more corruptions with the Democrats. Wow I don't buy that propaganda for one second.