[a.ruiter]

Resume: several headlines on BBC two or three days ago:
The minister of foreign affairs of Britain, some high American Army general in Iraq and
Mr. Rumsfield admitted that the situation in Iraq is worse than ever and that it is realistic to speak of a civil war.

We know that Mr. Bush c.s. is fully responsible for this inhuman/brutal situation by a.o. ignoring the "non-fiat" of the UN.

I can hardly say that - considering all of mr. Bush' notorious achievements in the Middle East - the Lord abides with him.
Maybe mr. Bush c.s. is not a christian at all in the eyes of the Lord and He left the US.

What to think of the integrity, objectivity and the intelectual properties of people, saying:

QUOTE: URL (beliefnet.com > Prayer Circle) "That he (Bush) will have God with him with the decision's he make for our country
This is a prayer for the president. That he will have heavenly father's
influence with the decision's he make's that is right for out country. I
prayers this country in general that we will remember what really hold's
this nation together. That will we hav........"

[ChrisJones]

Sorry a.ruiter, your post makes very little sense. I don't really understand what your point is. Are you asking if we think that people that agree with Mr Bush are bad? Or are you asking if people that believe Mr Bush is led "by God" are bad.

I'm not trying to patronise you, just trying to figure out what the point of your post was.

Chris.

[a.ruiter]

Well, mr. chris jones, you obviously did not want to read "What to think of the integrity, objectivity and the intelectual properties of people, saying: etc etc"
Furthermore, whether postings make sense or not to you, is your problem not mine.
It fully depends on your capabilities.

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by a.ruiter

.................
Furthermore, whether postings make sense or not to you, is your problem not mine.
It fully depends on your capabilities.

Actually, it is your problem.
If you can not be understood, your point is not percieved.

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by a.ruiter

"What to think of the integrity, objectivity and the intelectual properties of people, saying: etc etc".

I would think if there is a god he thinks you're all nuts claiming god is on your side. They certainly have the right to express their opinion no matter what it is just as an Islamic site has the right to spout the same baloney. In any event at least they can express their opinions for others to take or leave at their own discretion without having to worry about getting their head chopped off.

[a.ruiter]

Trying to change the subject, mr. stoner ? In vain !!

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by a.ruiter

Trying to change the subject, mr. stoner ? In vain !!

Actually, you brought up that angle .......

[Chicon]

Originally Posted by Stoner

Actually, you brought up that angle .......

Hi Jack,

I've the strange feeling this is going to turn into a peril0us loop !

[Stoner]

Mornin' Joe

could happen

[Chicon]

a message from outer space should be the more appropriate title of this thread !

[ChrisJones]

Originally Posted by a.ruiter

Well, mr. chris jones, you obviously did not want to read "What to think of the integrity, objectivity and the intelectual properties of people, saying: etc etc"
Furthermore, whether postings make sense or not to you, is your problem not mine.
It fully depends on your capabilities.

Firstly your postings don't make a lot of sense to me, I've been speaking and writing English for the last 23 years so I'm fairly sure I have a good grasp of the language and how to understand it. I'm not sure if English is your first language, from the disjointed way you arrange your posts I think probably not. If English is your first language then I appologise, however your grammar and presentation leave a lot to be desired.

Ok on to your post, well what do I think of the integrity, objectivity and intelectual properties of people that think Mr Bush has God on their side?

Personally, as a person that doesn't believe in organised religion, I don't believe that God is truely on anyone's side. However, anyone and everyone is entitled to their opinion, so long as that opinion doesn't break the grounds of morality (e.g. "I believe all disabled children should be shot") then they can believe whatever the hell they want. If these people want to believe that God guides Mr Bush's decisions, good for them, I have no problem with them believing that.

I do however have a problem when people who are religious try to force their points on me and others who don't necesarily believe in Christianity, Islam or whatever religion they choose to follow. For example the current furore over whether children should be taught about Evolution, Darwin's Theory of Evolution or Intelligent Design. Personally I choose to believe the scientific evidence of the origin of life, and not that a "higher" power created life. There is little or no hard evidence to back up the Intelligent Design claim, where as IMO there is a miriad of evidence to back up both Evloution and Darwins Theory of Evolution. If there were any evidence to support the Intelligent Design Theory I would take it into consideration and make a decision based on the evidence at hand.

However certain religious zealots in the US are trying to get ID taught in science lessons in place of evolution and Darwin's theory of evolution. This is IMO plain wrong, there is scientific evidence that evolution exists therefore it should be taught in science lessons. ID on the other hand is not supported by science, however if people want to teach ID in schools it should be done in a philosophy or religious education lesson.

[RSM123]

It would be interesting to know how the subject of evolution is presented in Madrassas, or their Jewish Rabbinical equivalents, since I doubt either hold Prof Richard Dawkins in particularly high esteem.

[a.ruiter]

1) there is no need to confirm my quoting the
British Daily Telegraph (message nr. 1) where it is about vulgar and racism.

2) I doubt whether freedom of religion applies to the Heathen Gods as well.

3) I cannot be hold responsible for Bush' wish to export freedom and democracy ! AFTER U.S MODEL ! to Iraq.

[TooBad]

Originally Posted by ChrisJones

Personally, as a person that doesn't believe in organised religion, I don't believe that God is truely on anyone's side. However, anyone and everyone is entitled to their opinion, so long as that opinion doesn't break the grounds of morality (e.g. "I believe all disabled children should be shot") then they can believe whatever the hell they want. If these people want to believe that God guides Mr Bush's decisions, good for them, I have no problem with them believing that.

I do however have a problem when people who are religious try to force their points on me and others who don't necesarily believe in Christianity, Islam or whatever religion they choose to follow. For example the current furore over whether children should be taught about Evolution, Darwin's Theory of Evolution or Intelligent Design. Personally I choose to believe the scientific evidence of the origin of life, and not that a "higher" power created life. There is little or no hard evidence to back up the Intelligent Design claim, where as IMO there is a miriad of evidence to back up both Evloution and Darwins Theory of Evolution. If there were any evidence to support the Intelligent Design Theory I would take it into consideration and make a decision based on the evidence at hand.

However certain religious zealots in the US are trying to get ID taught in science lessons in place of evolution and Darwin's theory of evolution. This is IMO plain wrong, there is scientific evidence that evolution exists therefore it should be taught in science lessons. ID on the other hand is not supported by science, however if people want to teach ID in schools it should be done in a philosophy or religious education lesson.

But, if you don't believe in God, where do you get your "morality" from? Why is it bad to shoot all disabled children? Isn't that just a retroactive abortion? Very late term? I am really curious as to how you think on this as I don't subscribe to any organized religion, but do believe in God as our source of morality and charity. Otherwise, mankind is not a very moral or charitable species.

[linskyjack]

Okay, we all agree, Bush is no good. Whats your point?