[linskyjack]

Finally, something to be proud of! I guess our educational system isn't the total failure that people think it is!

[Empire2500]

I'm not surprised really...Congrats.

[SlackAli]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

Finally, something to be proud of! I guess our educational system isn't the total failure that people think it is!

I noticed the clean sweep too.

The US's PhD programmes are certainly first class, and better than most european ones - and I say that as a holder of a PhD from one of the top 10 UK universities. Plus, of course, funding for research is far more generous in the US, at the top universities, than it is in europe.

[linskyjack]

No doubt----My point in making the post was that in the US, politicians use the "education" issue to score points, when in fact, I would wager to guess that the US is among the top in spending per pupil. Our problems in education are more a function of our societal issues then our ability to offer a top notch education to our young people.

[SlackAli]

Yes I was aware of your point, but you can't extrapolate backwards from the Nobel Prizes to prove the success or otherwise of primary and secondary education. Bright kids will succeed often despite rather than because of the formal education system - they certainly have to over here.

[Chicon]

Originally Posted by SlackAli

Yes I was aware of your point, but you can't extrapolate backwards from the Nobel Prizes to prove the success or otherwise of primary and secondary education. Bright kids will succeed often despite rather than because of the formal education system - they certainly have to over here.

Agreed !
But in Europe, there's a recurrent problem of elementary research funding. We've a lot of 'brains' with no means to express their knowledge and therefore, either they change their career either they go in a foreign country that offers them more possibilities.

[BanditFlyer]

Originally Posted by Chicon

Agreed !
But in Europe, there's a recurrent problem of elementary research funding. We've a lot of 'brains' with no means to express their knowledge and therefore, either they change their career either they go in a foreign country that offers them more possibilities.

+1

Linskyjack's conclusion is simply silly and does not follow from the data that he used as supporting evidence.

The problem in the US is exactly as SlackAli characterized it. Chicon, that's the reason for the existence of the US - so that educated, intelligent immigrants can come here to pursue their needs, thereby adding to the number of "Americans" who win Nobel prizes.

"The System" will always be imperfect. More power to those who can find work-arounds.

[linskyjack]

Once again, the Banditflyer---a restless emigree who is paranoid about communists, seeks to opine on an issue he knows nothing about. Statistically, we spend more then practically every country on education---thats a fact---. Now tell me why we have too many illiterates in this country? Quite simply it's a social and/or cultural issue.

Take that to the bank!

By the way. If possible, please stop posting to my threads. You bring the level of discourse down so far that it is almost impossible to get back on track.

[BanditFlyer]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

Once again, the Banditflyer---a restless emigree who is paranoid about communists, seeks to opine on an issue he knows nothing about. Statistically, we spend more then practically every country on education---thats a fact---. Now tell me why we have too many illiterates in this country? Quite simply it's a social and/or cultural issue.

So are you saying the US is a culture of failures?

That's quite a non-specific remark - "Quite simply it's a social and/or cultural issue."

Originally Posted by LJ

Take that to the bank!

By the way. If possible, please stop posting to my threads. You bring the level of discourse down so far that it is almost impossible to get back on track.

It won't help - people like Chicon and SlackAli will continue to see right through your BS.

[linskyjack]

No genius---I am saying that there are reasons that for our low performance in the grade school and high school level. As I said, dont mess up my threads with your illogical rambling.

[BanditFlyer]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

No genius---I am saying that there are reasons that for our low performance in the grade school and high school level. As I said, dont mess up my threads with your illogical rambling.

"there are reasons" - oh, that's even more specific.

[linskyjack]

Do I need to spell it out for you--------okay---define social and then define culture---Turn around three times, walk into the wall and stop messing up my thread.

[GoneForNow]

Originally Posted by Chicon

Agreed !
But in Europe, there's a recurrent problem of elementary research funding. We've a lot of 'brains' with no means to express their knowledge and therefore, either they change their career either they go in a foreign country that offers them more possibilities.

That foreign country would be the US. We send low level jobs overseas but we get highly skilled/educated people coming in. We ain't stupid.

[poochee]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

Finally, something to be proud of! I guess our educational system isn't the total failure that people think it is!

[Chicon]

Originally Posted by gbrumb

That foreign country would be the US. We send low level jobs overseas but we get highly skilled/educated people coming in. We ain't stupid.

Sure US are the first option but there is also Canada.
A few weeks ago, I've learned that last year, around 140,000 German 'skilled' people have left their country to have a new life (the rate of unemployment in Germany is around 20 %).
I guess they all didn't go to the US.