[rexgrant]

Hi
When we read about the problems different countries are experiencing with the muslim way of life, and we are told by our governments that we have to learn to live with Islam in our own countries.But the muslims will not even try to change their ways, to live in my country,and as we all know by what is going on in Iraq,They can not even live in peace in their own countries with other muslims,I think it is time to bring out laws to curb their selfish way of life in my Country.
Regards.
Rex.

[Chicon]

Hi rexgrant,

The subject of your thread is one of my concerns too.
I feel that a new kind of fascism is spreading through all the european countries where Muslim emigrants live.
Recently, in Belgium, a female senator, native of Morocco, had to face insults during her last campaign for the local elections : she was treated as a 'bad Muslim' because she is clothed like westerners.
The last time I saw her on the TV news, she bursted into tears while explaining what happened in her election race. Seemingly, she made a surprise among her follow supporters; she was then summoned by a commission of her party (the frenchspeaking Parti Socialiste). Since, I have no more news. I guess she was told to restraint herself.
Et voilà, that's a classical move used by political responsibles when they have to manage islamism.
Sooner or later, that kind of policies will fire back because the means of radical imams are the first time to alienate the Muslim communities from the natives of their host countries in order to recruit more easily jihadists and secondly, to impose their Sharia law.
I still remember the blackmail of a muslim cleric asking the british government to insert the Sharia in its constitution to prevent terrorism.

[Galium]

Originally Posted by rexgrant

Hi
When we read about the problems different countries are experiencing with the muslim way of life, and we are told by our governments that we have to learn to live with Islam in our own countries.But the muslims will not even try to change their ways, to live in my country,and as we all know by what is going on in Iraq,They can not even live in peace in their own countries with other muslims,I think it is time to bring out laws to curb their selfish way of life in my Country.
Regards.
Rex.

You make an interesting point. I took several courses in college with regard to World Cultures. Which, by any stretch of the imagination, does not make me an expert. Here in the US we are a melting pot of many cultures. It would take an individual several lifetimes to understand all of them. Islam is the second largest religion in the world but only 20% are from Arab countries.
The problem, as I see it, is the violence associated with Islam. It actually makes me cringe and sick at heart. Am I saying that all Muslims are terrorists, no, unfortunately they are the ones we hear about on the news. IMO, with Islam, it's either their way or the highway. There is no tolerance.... That is the crucial word. Our intervention anywhere in the world will not change that.
rexgrant, I read that Islam is the second largest religion in the UK. Is that so???

[rexgrant]

[quote=Galium]You make an interesting point. I took several courses in college with regard to World Cultures. Which, by any stretch of the imagination, does not make me an expert. Here in the US we are a melting pot of many cultures. It would take an individual several lifetimes to understand all of them. Islam is the second largest religion in the world but only 20% are from Arab countries.
The problem, as I see it, is the violence associated with Islam. It actually makes me cringe and sick at heart. Am I saying that all Muslims are terrorists, no, unfortunately they are the ones we hear about on the news. IMO, with Islam, it's either their way or the highway. There is no tolerance.... That is the crucial word. Our intervention anywhere in the world will not change that.
, I read that Islam is the second largest religion in the UK. Is that so???[/QUOTE
Hi Galium.
Yes you are correct we have 3,000,000 none christians and Half of them are muslim,and at a guess I would say that 90% of those are far-east origin.
Regards.
Rex.

[canndy]

Islam is the fastest growing religion in America, do you have a problem with that?

Islam is the second largest religion in Europe, do you have a problem with that too?

[wacor]

Originally Posted by canndy

Islam is the fastest growing religion in America, do you have a problem with that?

Islam is the second largest religion in Europe, do you have a problem with that too?

Yup on both accounts

For the simple reason is that at least here in the US we have an established society and you Muslims want to change that.

And when you dont like that we are unwilling to change our ways your radical brothers decide to murder thousands of innocents.

I dont have a problem with Muslims any more than I do with other religions or people of different persuasions. I do have a problem when you come into my house so to speak, meaning our country and then try to convert us. And make no mistake Muslims want to control everybody in the end the same as other relgions tried ages ago

[canndy]

Originally Posted by wacor

Yup on both accounts

For the simple reason is that at least here in the US we have an established society and you Muslims want to change that.

And when you dont like that we are unwilling to change our ways your radical brothers decide to murder thousands of innocents.

I dont have a problem with Muslims any more than I do with other religions or people of different persuasions. I do have a problem when you come into my house so to speak, meaning our country and then try to convert us. And make no mistake Muslims want to control everybody in the end the same as other relgions tried ages ago

The problem is with you (generally speaking) is that you think America is ONLY your house. It's not ONLY your house. People work their ***** off to get food on their tables and contribute whatever they can to the American society. The people I am talking about are not the "illegal" immigrants (we are all illegal in one way or another anyways), I am talking about the people who take "legal" measures to get here.

Established society? What is your established society? Can I see it please?
Who contributes to this established society of YOURS? Only you and your kind? What makes an established society a functioning society is all the people within the society. The people include everyone from ALL walks of life.

Tell me, when was the last time you got a Muslim at your door to convert you?(ie, christians do) If you did, then please tell me so I can call them up and yell at them. ( I love doing that )... But if your saying Muslims are trying to convert by using media and the likes, then you are wrong, we are only trying to portray the Islam which is the pure Islam and not the Islam that the others (terrorists/extremists/non-muslims) try to portray. If you ask me, there is nothing wrong in doing that, we have a right. I am happy to live in Canada, and I am sure my fellow Muslims are happy to live in America too.

[wacor]

Far as I can recall Canndy, America was not established by Muslims

We have an established society and it did not include Muslims trying to take over and controls things.

Islamic teachings do not allow for acceptance of other beliefs. Islam is the fasted growing religion in the US I do believe.

Two and two makes four

Seems to all add up to me

[BanditFlyer]

Originally Posted by canndy

The people I am talking about are not the "illegal" immigrants (we are all illegal in one way or another anyways), I am talking about the people who take "legal" measures to get here.

How are we all illegal in one way or another?

[linskyjack]

Hes talking about people with green cards--etc. I think that the Muslims in the US, for the most part understand that we separate the church and the state.

[canndy]

Originally Posted by wacor

Far as I can recall Canndy, America was not established by Muslims

We have an established society and it did not include Muslims trying to take over and controls things.

Islamic teachings do not allow for acceptance of other beliefs. Islam is the fasted growing religion in the US I do believe.

Two and two makes four

Seems to all add up to me

Do I smell contradiction? Who did establish America? Please give me an answer.

Two and two makes four... so... what's your point?

[canndy]

Originally Posted by BanditFlyer

How are we all illegal in one way or another?

Did they not take over the land from the Indians? I am not trying to bring up a childish argument but when others do the same then I have to try to make them understand the same way.

[wacor]

Canndy,

your point is part of my point. yes we did conquer the Indians because we could.

and Muslims will take over our country eventually at the rate they are gaining in numbers unless we put a stop to the radicalism that prevails in Islam and those than enable it.

America was a melting pot. You Mulsims are the ones that have no tolerance for the other religions and want to eliminate that melting pot and make it all yours

[canndy]

Originally Posted by wacor

Canndy,

your point is part of my point. yes we did conquer the Indians because we could.

and Muslims will take over our country eventually at the rate they are gaining in numbers unless we put a stop to the radicalism that prevails in Islam and those than enable it.

America was a melting pot. You Mulsims are the ones that have no tolerance for the other religions and want to eliminate that melting pot and make it all yours

Oh well, I tried to send a message on TSG that not all people of a particular race or religion are evil. I guess you guys will stay stubborn.

[canndy]

Originally Posted by wacor

Canndy,

your point is part of my point. yes we did conquer the Indians because we could.

and Muslims will take over our country eventually at the rate they are gaining in numbers unless we put a stop to the radicalism that prevails in Islam and those than enable it.

America was a melting pot. You Mulsims are the ones that have no tolerance for the other religions and want to eliminate that melting pot and make it all yours

because you could.. eh? Guess what, know we can and we will. You got a problem with it? Try to stop us.. (this is where your imagination starts) new abortion laws....? 1 child per muslim household? what you got ??