[Zaney1]

If the lack of success in the war on drugs is any indication our country is in for a long and expensive losing battle. There have been billions spent on the war on drugs that have resulted in an increase in primarily one thing, prisoners. The production of opium in Afghanistan is up phenomenally since we won there. New "designer" drugs have cropped up & people keep finding new ways to get high. There is actually a drug called "cheese", a mixture of heroin & tylenol PM in middle schools in my city. Kid who aren't even in the double digits are "robo-trippin" and dying as a result. I learned about this here at TSG.
I don't understand how we go around the globe trying to impose Americanism on cultures much older than our 218 years when we have such complex and growing problems of our own.
If we are as pitiful in our attempt to stem the expansion of a terror culture as we have been with the drug culture we're doomed.

[Moby]

You could use your resources more cunningly. Give the terrorists drugs.

[GoneForNow]

Originally Posted by Zaney1

If the lack of success in the war on drugs is any indication our country is in for a long and expensive losing battle. There have been billions spent on the war on drugs that have resulted in an increase in primarily one thing, prisoners. The production of opium in Afghanistan is up phenomenally since we won there. New "designer" drugs have cropped up & people keep finding new ways to get high. There is actually a drug called "cheese", a mixture of heroin & tylenol PM in middle schools in my city. Kid who aren't even in the double digits are "robo-trippin" and dying as a result. I learned about this here at TSG.
I don't understand how we go around the globe trying to impose Americanism on cultures much older than our 218 years when we have such complex and growing problems of our own.
If we are as pitiful in our attempt to stem the expansion of a terror culture as we have been with the drug culture we're doomed.

And yet drug use by teens is down.

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by gbrumb

And yet drug use by teens is down.

Its not just down, but down significantly. Interestingly, unlike my generation, my daughters talk about the drug users the way we talked about people that joined the military (remember the liberals had people hating the military following the Vietnam war). They are looked upon as social outcasts.

[rob.rice]

Originally Posted by gbrumb

And yet drug use by teens is down.

only because the prices are up
like gas the price climes so high it strangles the market then prices drop and usage is back up

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by rob.rice

only because the prices are up
like gas the price climes so high it strangles the market then prices drop and usage is back up

Uhhh--no--the price of pot is cheaper now than it was when I was a teenager.

[linskyjack]

Originally Posted by Mulder

Its not just down, but down significantly. Interestingly, unlike my generation, my daughters talk about the drug users the way we talked about people that joined the military (remember the liberals had people hating the military following the Vietnam war). They are looked upon as social outcasts.

It might be down, but I bet you that drinking (just as destructive) is way up. Look at the recent study on teen binge drinking (49% of high school kids queried partook in it).

[Guyzer]

Originally Posted by Mulder

Uhhh--no--the price of pot is cheaper now than it was when I was a teenager.

Doubt that Mulder. You are close to my age and it was about 15 - 20 bucks a lid back then. Main difference beside the cost today is the smoke is much more potent now then before especially when it comes to BC bud.

[Guyzer]

Originally Posted by Mulder

Its not just down, but down significantly. Interestingly, unlike my generation, my daughters talk about the drug users the way we talked about people that joined the military (remember the liberals had people hating the military following the Vietnam war). They are looked upon as social outcasts.

She's hanging around with the wrong crowd then. Good for her though.

[Guyzer]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

It might be down, but I bet you that drinking (just as destructive) is way up. Look at the recent study on teen binge drinking (49% of high school kids queried partook in it).

Booze is actually more destructive if used in excess.

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by Wimpy369

Doubt that Mulder. You are close to my age and it was about 15 - 20 bucks a lid back then. Main difference beside the cost today is the smoke is much more potent now then before especially when it comes to BC bud.

Sorry--you're wrong.

Between 1988 and 1999, expenditures on cocaine and heroin fell.(29) While a decrease in the number of casual users of cocaine played some role in this trend, it is largely due to a fall in the street price of each drug. According to DEA statistics, heroin and cocaine prices are at record lows, and the purity at almost all-time highs.

And this on Marijuana:

http://ambergriscaye.com/BzLibrary/trust193.html

Pot plants back in the 70's had low levels of THC, the chemical that produces the pleasant pacifist buzz. Since then, growers have used traditional cloning and hybridizing techniques to create a master race of pot plants. Dwarf versions as small as a tomato plant, but with buds that have 25 times the THC levels of the 15 foot plants of the 1970's in Belize. Couple this with hydroponics, the science of raising plant crops in nutrient- enriched water, instead of using soil, has created an explosion of hydroponic indoor farming in the USA. Nowadays, 99.5% of the expensive marijuana sold in the USA is produced in the USA in houses and apartments. There is still a small amount of marijuana grown on Federal lands, but the shift has been from importing marijuana and from using Federal lands in the USA for outdoor growing, to indoor hydroponic cultivation.

http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/substnce/mari.htm

Marijuana has become the most widely used controlled substance in the U.S. The ease of cultivation and its relative cheap price also makes it the most available. No more than 20 years ago, it was classified as a narcotic and mere possession punished similar to heroin. With scientific research more available and the dangerousness of the drug disputed, penalties have gradually decreased to the point of decriminalization in several states. The drug has few current accepted medical purposes.

In the 70s when you were smoking it, you paid a lot for stuff that was much less potent because the only choice was imported marijuana.

[Blackmirror]

Originally Posted by Mulder

In the 70s when you were smoking it, you paid a lot for stuff that was much less potent because the only choice was imported marijuana.

Or you grew your own

[Guyzer]

Originally Posted by Blackmirror

Or you grew your own

Bingo...............

btw Mulder some of what you posted may be correct but a pile is a load of el tor poopoo. Mulder about my post... what part am I wrong about. Please be specific.

[Mulderator]

BTW--I personally am in favor of decriminalization of drug use, especially marijuana which in my view is relatively harmless.

[Littlefield]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/01/05/ma....ap/index.html


I bet this girl wished it was not cocaine involved . Man some important people are going to be outed in Atlanta.