[Littlefield]

On this one I agree another example where he is naive and spouts off before thinking things through just to try and one up Hillary.

[trekguy]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

In single sentence, Obama would flush trillions of dollars the US has spent on our nuke arsenal down the toilet.
In addition, he takes an important bargaining chip off the table, and therebyweakens the US negotiating hand worldwide.

Thank God he's not our President.


Idiot.





Obama: No Nukes, Ever
Obama says use of nuclear weapons to fight al-Qaida ‘not on the table’.




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Stupid Liberals.

Nuclear weapons have never been a "bargaining chip". When we had 'em, and nobody else did... we were the big power on the earth. No need to bargain, we had the power. Now, everybody has 'em, and everybody also realizes that if used, we all die anyway... so they have essentially become worthless. Wasted money... empty threats.

I believe that's Obama's point... everybody knows that realisticallly, we can't use them... so why keep up the fake posturing??

Obama '08

[Littlefield]

You can say you are as smart as Obama if you think our nukes are worthless

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by trekguy

Nuclear weapons have never been a "bargaining chip". When we had 'em, and nobody else did... we were the big power on the earth. No need to bargain, we had the power. Now, everybody has 'em, and everybody also realizes that if used, we all die anyway... so they have essentially become worthless. Wasted money... empty threats.

I believe that's Obama's point... everybody knows that realisticallly, we can't use them... so why keep up the fake posturing??

Obama '08

You must be younger than I had earlier thought. Early 20's?

You're incorrect on just about every count in your post above.
Our nuclear arsenal has been an extremely effetive bargaining chip for decades. If the US had no nuclear arsenal, USSR would still be the evil empire exporting oppressive communism around the world.
And no, not everybody has them. In fact, very few countries have them in any abundance that might threaten any country's existence.
And no, if used, we all don't die anyway.
The money is only wasted if idiots like Obama take them out of usable inventory by telling potential enemies that they aren't in our arsenal of response anymore.

[LANMaster]

[LANMaster]

Pakistan Criticizes Obama on Comments

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan criticized U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama on Friday for saying that, if elected, he might order military strikes against terrorists hiding in this Islamic country.

Top Pakistan officials said Obama's comment was irresponsible and likely made for political gain in the race for the Democratic nomination.

"It's a very irresponsible statement, that's all I can say," Pakistan's Foreign Minister Khusheed Kasuri told AP Television News. "As the election campaign in America is heating up we would not like American candidates to fight their elections and contest elections at our expense."

Another presidential hopeful, Colorado Republican Tom Tancredo, also came under criticism Friday by a Pakistani official after saying that the best way to deter a nuclear terrorist attack on the United States would be to threaten to retaliate by bombing the holiest Islamic sites of Mecca and Medina.

Tancredo spoke at a town hall meeting in Osceola, Iowa on Tuesday.

In Washington, the State Department disavowed Tancredo's remarks, which some diplomats fear could damage U.S. ties with the Muslim world and hurt efforts to counter Islamist extremism.

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D'OH!

[imrippinit]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Pakistan Criticizes Obama on Comments



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D'OH!

Like a bull in a China shop .

[Littlefield]

Yep when it happens we will do it like a thief in the night with special forces and it will not be announced.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by imrippinit

Like a bull in a China shop .

Like a Democrat trying desparately to draw voters away from the Republican base .... and not only failing at that, but losing more of his own base in the process.

What I find interesting is how the reaction is reported in the media as an Obama story, rather than a hint to the intolerance of Lunatics in Pakistan.
Obama is not the president ..... and he never will be, if he keeps cramming both feet into his mouth.

Best thing for Hillary to do is avoid comment on Obama's statement instead of countering. If she counters it is a lose-lose for her.

Gee .... I sure hope she counters.

[SlackAli]

LAN, Littlefield: for otherwise reasonably sentient beings, your understanding of nuclear weapons is less than rudimentary.

I'll grant that against states, nuclear weapons are a pretty impressive bargaining tool - although whether it was the US nuclear arsenal that brought about the end of the USSR is another matter - but could you explain how they are any use against what is increasingly an ideology? The US has never understood that it's not so easy to fight war against an abstract noun as it is against a state: which is one of the reasons Iraq has turned from nightmare into catastrophe.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by SlackAli

LAN, Littlefield: for otherwise reasonably sentient beings, your understanding of nuclear weapons is less than rudimentary.

I'll grant that against states, nuclear weapons are a pretty impressive bargaining tool - although whether it was the US nuclear arsenal that brought about the end of the USSR is another matter

I can make that argument rather easily. The arms race cause the USSR to place a higher emphasis on nuclear arms than on it's Communist infrastructure, thereby ensuring it's collapse.

- but could you explain how they are any use against what is increasingly an ideology?

Sure.
Ideologies are increasingly the empitus of Radical Islamic States. (Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon .... and I could go on and on)
While Al Qaeda is an ideology, they were based in, and supported by the Taliban who were the leading governance in Afghanistan.
With such a scenario potential that radical Islamic groups operating in some country may attack the USA again, I see a nuclear response as all too potential due to the fact that invading Afghanistan and Iraq have not gone as well as we had hoped. Well, as many had hoped anyway.
If a country were to sponsor an attack on US soil, and it succeeded in killing 10's of thousands of citizens ... or more ... I'd be all in favor of attacking from the air with nukes as opposed to sending in boots on the ground. I wouldn't support nuking civilian areas, but government buildings and terrorist training facilities.
This is not to say that I would send massive nukes. Just enough to get the job done and awaken the world to know that an attack on the US will not go un punished.

The US has never understood that it's not so easy to fight war against an abstract noun as it is against a state: which is one of the reasons Iraq has turned from nightmare into catastrophe.

What are you talking about? We didn't attack Iraq over an ideology? We attacked Iraq over an increasingly hostile government. The target was not the least bit ambiguous. We invaded and attacked an army.

[Littlefield]

If we had not have had nuclear bombs ,Kennedy would not have been able to do anything about Cuba . Even later Russia might have attacked us. They are a deterrent still and a vital piece of our national defense just as they are crucial to Britain's defense as well.
We have to have both nuclear bombs and a armed force able to mobilize quick too . One thing Rumy did right was to call for modernizing our forces.

[LANMaster]

Our nuclear arsenal does not have to be used necessarily to be effective.
The best way to make them ineffective is to promise to take them off of the table.

Obama is an idiot for doing just that.

Please understand that I think it would be terrible if we ever had to resort to using our nuclear arsenal against any nation.

But I am not so naive as to think that they are of no use to have in our arsenal.
Nor am I so stupid that I would want my potential enemies to believe that I do not have the fuzzy orbs enough to use them if appropriate.

[Littlefield]

Yep it just shows again that Obama is not ready for Prime Time and IMO will never be the right man to lead the US.

[LANMaster]

Right now his advisors are pooping themselves.

And Obama's breath smells of fast actin' Tinactin.