[valis]

way I see it, why should someone go into somebody else's house and tell them how to rearrange their furniture? This is Mike's site, and if he want's to put documents detailing the mating habits of the Peruvian Dancing Llama, that's his prerogative.

[iltos]

Originally Posted by valis

way I see it, why should someone go into somebody else's house and tell them how to rearrange their furniture? This is Mike's site, and if he want's to put documents detailing the mating habits of the Peruvian Dancing Llama, that's his prerogative.

agreed, v. i don't understand the all of it, but my sense of it is that the thread starter feels unjustly condemned by mike's other site, and is presenting a defense....

one that mike acknowledges without animosity.

[valis]

I saw that Mike acknowledged without animosity, and that's something I've always admried in him. Very equananimous, Mr. Cermak. I cannot say that I would have responded the same, but I would hope so.

Bottom line, stealing IS illegal, and whether or not it's copyright infringement or intellectual theft, it's still stealing in the eyes of the law.

[wacor]

Originally Posted by iltos

our hope is that this can be discussed as a topic and not get drawn into a personal conflict over points of view....

Good luck on that one

[iltos]

Originally Posted by wacor

Good luck on that one

LOL
get your alpha irony outta here!!

[wacor]

Well I do have a comment that might be appropriate should this get testy. I comes from the now fired coach of the Michigan State football team.

Originally Posted by John L. Smith

Quote of the year

"If somebody comes into the middle of your house and craps on your floor, what are you going to do?" Smith said. "You're going to smack 'em, right?"

http://www.statenews.com/print.phtml?pk=27439

[GoneForNow]

Originally Posted by TraVelSonic

Hopefull this thread will stay contained, as it is only two members showed any form of baiting but hopefully that will be ignored.

And just who might that be?

[GoneForNow]

In any case, I agree that copyright infringement is legally different from stealing -- I'm just making the point that both are illegal and morally wrong.

Problem is that you are mixing two different sets of terminology. Stealing isn't found in the criminal code; there is larceny or theft or such similar legal definitions. Stealing is a layman's method of defining theft and too loose to conform to defined criminal behavior. Copyright infringement can be the legal equivalent to theft but, again, there is a use of differing terminologies. Larceny and theft come from old English common law and are centuries old. There meaning evolved into the present day criminal definitions. Not so with copyright infringement, which a statutorily created concept in the law. As such it wasn't bound by the precedent of old English law which didn't fit the concept of copyright to begin with. For simple illustration, theft takes place against the tangible whereas copyright infringement takes place against the intangible.

Both, however, can be morally wrong.

[Dreddnik]

agreed, v. i don't understand the all of it, but my sense of it is that the thread starter feels unjustly condemned by mike's other site, and is presenting a defense....

Precisely

one that mike acknowledges without animosity.

And I honestly expected no less from him, and was not disappointed.

We all would be glad to have you visit, Mike, as a welcome guest, away from
the 'baiters'.

[TraVelSonic]

Originally Posted by gbrumb

Problem is that you are mixing two different sets of terminology. Stealing isn't found in the criminal code; there is larceny or theft or such similar legal definitions. Stealing is a layman's method of defining theft and too loose to conform to defined criminal behavior. Copyright infringement can be the legal equivalent to theft but, again, there is a use of differing terminologies. Larceny and theft come from old English common law and are centuries old. There meaning evolved into the present day criminal definitions. Not so with copyright infringement, which a statutorily created concept in the law. As such it wasn't bound by the precedent of old English law which didn't fit the concept of copyright to begin with. For simple illustration, theft takes place against the tangible whereas copyright infringement takes place against the intangible.

Both, however, can be morally wrong.

I 100% agree with all of this.

[GoneForNow]

Originally Posted by TraVelSonic

I 100% agree with all of this.

So you're saying those "A"s in law school were earned?

[bassetman]

...mid evil times...

I believe the term you (or they) were looking for is "Medieval".

[bassetman]

Originally Posted by gbrumb

And just who might that be?

Is that a rhetorical question?

[GoneForNow]

Originally Posted by bassetman

Is that a rhetorical question?

No a rhetorical question is: "What is truth?"

My question has an answer.

You been tapping the brew kettles again haven't you.

[Time Warrior]

Originally Posted by iltos

our hope is that this can be discussed as a topic and not get drawn into a personal conflict over points of view....

For any ediquite concerns, I will differ to what Dreddsnik said here ( http://www.boycott-riaa.com/article/21166 ) in one of his comments to this article, which is as follows:

"Anyone who is planning on posting over there keep in mind .....

Those two that have been responding
want more than anything to 'devolve'
the thread, and turn it into a flame fest.

Don't attack the poster.
Don't respond to personal attacks, at all,
just question their 'facts' and ask for
sources/proof. If the thread stays
alive long enough to attract those who
REALLY want a civil, intelligent, debate,
WE will be the ones keeping the high ground."

Tech Guy's end of the Administrative Spectrum will keep things clean as he sees fit. As for the participation of Boycott RIAA Users here -- Dreddsnik and I shall endeavor to do our best to ensure that our users remain respectful, tactful and civil -- contributing only well informed and well thought rebuttles towards the goal of a serious and productive discussion about Tech Guy's other website and the issues and concerns that revolve around that site.

Dave aka Twarrior
Boycott RIAA