[valis]

i think he's talking about medicinal. Or Jamaica.

[TraVelSonic]

Originally Posted by valis

weren't the rebuttles a band?

seriously, though, what purpose are you trying to accomplish here? Are you trying to make the owner of this site change his ways?

No, though while we are on the topic of changing things, If he is going to put facts on his website, I think it wise to make sure that they are accurate.


Case in point:

"Is it OK to use a game emulator?
No. Copyrights apply not only to music, but also software (games) and hardware designs (including Nintendo/Sega consoles). As the The Entertainment Software Association explains: "If the sole purpose of an emulator is to allow the playing of a console game on a PC, and the owner of the copyrights in that console game has not authorized the copying, performance, display, or derivative work created when a console game is played on a PC, then the creation and use of that emulator constitutes an infringement of the copyrights in the console game." Go buy the console and the game. A lot of people spent time designing both."

Sorry, but just using a software association for all your info on that qestion is not getting all the facts. IIRC, that view is skewed and incorrect.. Ripping a game, or dumping a cartridge you own through a device like a rom dumper, whether it be a Sega Genesis, Nintendo/Super Nintendo, or even a Nintendo 64 or Atari game is legal if you do not cirumvent any copy-protection and you do not distribute the work. If the emulator does NOT use external bios, illegally distributed online, of which most console emulators pre-PSX/Saturn/Dreamcast don't, then the emulator has grounds to be legal as reverse-engineering usually isn't used anymore. Such use of an emulator, kept in the strict confines of these conditions would/can be proven to constitute fair use, whether a company authorized it, or thinks that should be allowed being irrelivant post-point.

[valis]

when it's your site, you can make the rules. End of discussion. Can I go onto your site and begin to use it as a site to post cracks for Vista? I highly doubt that you would enjoy that, and neither would the lawyers at MS.

The entire point is, this is Mike's site. If he says we can't talk about elephants, then guess what; you need to to talk about elephants someplace else.

Thanks, again, for understanding.

[TraVelSonic]

Originally Posted by valis

when it's your site, you can make the rules. End of discussion.

End of discussion = "I have fingers in my ears and don't want to try to understand the argument, let alone respond rationally."

Stop copping out, stop justifying inconsistancy.

The website is, supposively, dedicated to pointing out the facts. One happened to be dubious or challengable and I stated my reasoning. It is strongly urged, for reputation's sake, that research be done to keep facts straight, as one's point will be stronger and people will be more inclined to listen and bring others to the site.

If anybody is dedicated to point out a fact on a question, you can't rely on one place with a shoddy interpretation of the law. End of story.

Can I go onto your site and begin to use it as a site to post cracks for Vista?

That is relevant how?

I am arguing that how?

It isn't, and I am not. Strawman = burned.

The entire point is, this is Mike's site.

And Mike is not nearly stupid enough to believe that user commentary is not helpful or a constructive thing to have.

If he says we can't talk about elephants, then guess what; you need to to talk about elephants someplace else.

If you are talking about discussing Mike's site, he hasn't prohibited it in reason (or else this topic would be locked), and I doubt YOU would even convince me for a nanosecond that constructive criticism is bad. Do you think everything a person in power of a country should be done without constructive input from those he/she watches over? I rest my case.

[GoneForNow]

Originally Posted by TraVelSonic

The website is, supposively, dedicated to pointing out the facts. One happened to be dubious or challengable and I stated my reasoning. It is strongly urged, for reputation's sake, that research be done to keep facts straight, as one's point will be stronger and people will be more inclined to listen and bring others to the site. Yada yada yada

You're right, he should have posted: "Generally, no." Then everything would be correct even under your theory.

[Flrman1]

valis,

Please refrain from making any more posts about these guys coming to "Mike's house to rearrange the furniture". That isn't what this thread is about. You have posted something to that affect in this thread two or three times already. I have been keeping up with this thread from the beginning and I don't see anything here that justifies it. The discussion has been fair and constructive. Let's keep it that way please.

[valis]

flrman:

will do. To me, something like the below:

Sorry, but just using a software association for all your info on that qestion is not getting all the facts. IIRC, that view is skewed and incorrect.. Ripping a game, or dumping a cartridge you own through a device like a rom dumper, whether it be a Sega Genesis, Nintendo/Super Nintendo, or even a Nintendo 64 or Atari game is legal if you do not cirumvent any copy-protection and you do not distribute the work. If the emulator does NOT use external bios, illegally distributed online, of which most console emulators pre-PSX/Saturn/Dreamcast don't, then the emulator has grounds to be legal as reverse-engineering usually isn't used anymore. Such use of an emulator, kept in the strict confines of these conditions would/can be proven to constitute fair use, whether a company authorized it, or thinks that should be allowed being irrelivant post-point.

is rude, and not respective of the site's owners. Obviously that is my opinion, and nothing more.

But I will stay out of it, and let them have their say. First amendment, after all, does mean quite a bit to me.

Travelsonic, sorry if I offended, I trust you understand where I am coming from. I understand where you are coming from, and I even see your point, and believe it or not, agree with some (not all) but some of them.

Regardless, good luck with your movement, and I'll talk to you later. Be safe.

v

[TraVelSonic]

Best to you too.

Maybe I did come off a bit snappy, but when I wrote that I was consumed with other things. For that I myself apologize.

[Flrman1]

Thanks for your understanding valis. I just want to be sure things continue to go smoothly here.

[valis]

Thanks, man. Again, no worries. We've both made ourselves eminently clear on the issue, and to me (obviously) it's not my problem, and I shouldn't have made it so (again obviously).

I'm quite good at seeing the obvious in hindsight, btw.

For what it's worth, I do wish you luck, and I'm sure I'll see you around. The internet is a BIG place, but for certain people in certain circles, we tend to bump into each other with astonishing frequency.

v

[valis]

Originally Posted by Flrman1

Thanks for your understanding valis. I just want to be sure things continue to go smoothly here.

As I mentioned, my hindsight is pretty good.

[GoneForNow]

Originally Posted by valis

As I mentioned, my hindsight is pretty good.

Yeah, maybe the best thing is not to respond at all and let TechGuy respond when or if he wants too.

[valis]

Originally Posted by gbrumb

Yeah, maybe the best thing is not to respond at all and let TechGuy respond when or if he wants too.

seeing as how that comes from a lawyer, that's pretty good advice.

Actually going to be talking to one of you guys soon......maybe I'll post the details up here after the fact, or, ipso facto or something to that extent.

later, off to skule. On a freakin' sunday.

[Couriant]

Originally Posted by Time Warrior

Not to mention, most IPs are DYNAMIC. ...

Well, true, but it's not only the IP address that gets shown, the MAC address is also in play. Yes I'm aware that you can *spoof* a MAC address, but the majority of the internet users most likely don't have a clue.

[Time Warrior]

Originally Posted by valis

i think he's talking about medicinal. Or Jamaica.

Jamaca isn't a state. Yes, Medical.