[rob.rice]

http://cleaneasy.com/drugtesting/clink/evidence.html

[Stoner]

so can any body show any stats that show testing has solved any problems

Fewer 7-11s are being robbed at gun point by their own employees???




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[Stoner]

BTW....that long copy and paste looks like a copyright issue .
You might consider editing some and posting a link.
You really should have posted a link anyway.

[bill.aam]

SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN
Science And The Citizen, March 1990, Volume 262, Number 3, pp. 18 & 22

Glad to see you're using the most current (17 yr old) data..

[TooBad]

Originally Posted by bill.aam

Glad to see you're using the most current (17 yr old) data..

Bill, It actually doesn't matter when the article was written as the point is that from one study, most of the mis-information for the "war on drugs" was culled and was not the proper conclussion to make. It is simply the continuation of the idiotic policy of our government to lie to make a point about drugs and to justify their worthless 40 year old failed policy as regards prohibition. It is one of the main reasons young people distrust the government as the facts are plain enough to see that the feds do not have any real data to prove that what they are wasting our money on is worth it. Remember "Reefer Madness"? Well, actually, I am not quite old enough to "remember" it as to when it was first released, but I have seen it and it is complete and utter nonsense and that is still the governments position on marijuana.

[WarC]

You know what I did to get my job?

Quit smoking the cheebs for three weeks.

Drug testing: You get an "F"!

[WarC]

Maybe they think pot is so addictive that we couldn't -possibly- put it down for any length of time. Ha! From what I've seen cigerettes are twice the addiction. I wouldn't touch a cigerette with a ten foot pole, and thats saying a lot coming from a pothead.

Studies recently released conclude that Nicotine levels have actually risen in cigerettes...The tobacco companies are fighting back against the anti-smoking surge by making it so you can never go without some of that tobaccy.

Yet we should put up with the criminalization of marijuana?

[johnnyburst79]

Like the Gov't has the best thoughts in mind when decriminalizing or criminalizing products. You want to know why it is illegal? Because the gov't cannot tax it, it grows naturally and outside as a NATURAL plant. If the gov't cannot make money from it, they ban it.

Yes, nicotine has risen just over 11% in the past decade in cigarettes.

I'd NEVER smoke a cigarette....but...yeah, I'll just leave it at that. I don't smoke marijuana though as it does not really do anything for me.

Seizures in pounds

Drug FY 2000 FY 2001 FY 2002 FY 2003
Total 2,894,200 2,917,796 2,648,068 2,952,797
Heroin 6,640 4,378 6,874 5,643
Cocaine 248,827 239,576 225,758 245,499
Marijuana 2,614,746 2,673,410 2,415,243 2,700,282
Hashish 23,987 433 193 1,373

Some staggering numbers, to be sure, but think of the dollar value as compared to what treatment and going another route on the war on drugs would be. 5,959 officers assigned full time in just police areas. Imagine what could be achieved if marijuana was just made legal....prices for users would go down, state spending would go down, federal spending would decrease, more money could be injected into the educational system, and another whimsical and truly harmful law could be stricken from the books.

[rob.rice]

Originally Posted by Stoner

BTW....that long copy and paste looks like a copyright issue .
You might consider editing some and posting a link.
You really should have posted a link anyway.

this is all over the net I could post 100 or more links to this but here is a good one
http://cleaneasy.com/drugtesting/clink/evidence.html

[Stoner]

I'm sorry....I didn't doubt you could, it's just a courtesy to the reader

But I'd still recommend editing that post a mite to please the TSG owner

[BanditFlyer]

What happened, Rob, Did you fail a pee-test?

Originally Posted by rob.rice

so can any body show any stats that show testing has solved any problems

Stats? Why do you need stats? Isn't it obvious that a major problem drug-testing would solve would be that of clearing the good name of anybody unfairly accused of drug-abuse?

Again, I find myself concluding that rob.rice is a teenager posting as if he was an adult. Oh, and Bill, that 1990 article is something a teenager with plenty of free time would be likely to look for as an excuse to keep up his expensive habits.

[Gabriel]

So Rob...in your own words, what is the big deal about drug testing?

[TooBad]

Originally Posted by Gabriel

So Rob...in your own words, what is the big deal about drug testing?

I don't know about Rob's words, but it is the same as those unconstitutional DUI traps the the cops set up, it is an unreasonable search of a citizen without any probable cause that they have committed a crime and is completely unAmerican!! I do reserve drug testing for public safety employees, i.e. bus drivers, train engineers, pilots, etc. But to have a job managing computers or being and accountant, as long as you get the job done, what you do on your own time is none of their business!!

[BanditFlyer]

Originally Posted by TooBad

I don't know about Rob's words, but it is the same as those unconstitutional DUI traps the the cops set up, it is an unreasonable search of a citizen without any probable cause that they have committed a crime and is completely unAmerican!! I do reserve drug testing for public safety employees, i.e. bus drivers, train engineers, pilots, etc. But to have a job managing computers or being and accountant, as long as you get the job done, what you do on your own time is none of their business!!

Unreasonable search of a citizen?

Am I mistaken in thinking most drug tests occur at work?

If not, then how is it unreasonable search of a citizen(as opposed to reasonable search of an employee who may or may not be a citizen of the US)?

The US Constitution does not set that "unreasonable search" criteria up for private employers, only for the US Govt.

An employer has a right to protect themselves against liability posed by potentially dangerous employees. That includes doing credit checks, background checks, and drug screens.

[rob.rice]

Originally Posted by BanditFlyer

What happened, Rob, Did you fail a pee-test?
Stats? Why do you need stats? Isn't it obvious that a major problem drug-testing would solve would be that of clearing the good name of anybody unfairly accused of drug-abuse?

Again, I find myself concluding that rob.rice is a teenager posting as if he was an adult. Oh, and Bill, that 1990 article is something a teenager with plenty of free time would be likely to look for as an excuse to keep up his expensive habits.

MY brother in law just had to shell out $3000.00
for blood hair saliva tests to keep his job because the ampicillin he was tacking by doctors orders caused a false positive on his last test .
The company will not reinburse hem for the extra tests they told hem to sue the lab over it .
I think this attitude towards the workers by companies that drug test is more damaging than stoned workers .
In my trade less than 3% of the companies drug test
and almost all that have tryed it have closed shop in 6 months after attempting to implement blanket drug testing .In part because about 80% of the people in my trade smoke pot and because 99% of the tradesmen 99% of the time are automomus and self motivated who demand and get more respect than most workers . ( I have had jobs where I didn't even see the boss for 6 months and only came in to the shop to drop off my time cards and pick up contracts and my pay checks ) Plus there is allot of peer pressure not to put up with blanket drug testing among the tradesmen .
the thinking among the tradesmen goes something like this .
the boss can trust me with cart blanch credit all over town.
the boss can trust me not to steal his customers .
the boss can trust me to be polite to his customers .
the boss can trust to get the job done as fast as doing good work will allow .
the boss can trust me not to kill anyone including myself .
sometimes the boss trusts me with a truck with his name on it .( some times we use our owen trucks )
SO WHY CAN'T THE BOSS TRUST ME NOT TO GET STONED ON THE JOB AND HAS TO PRY INTO MY PERSONAL LIFE TO MAKE SURE I DON'T

were it used just to clear people from accuations of on the job drug use it would be welcome .
BUT that's not how it's used and it can't be used for that with something like pot or just about anyother drug for that matter .

the DEA hasn't allowed any research on pot that might not support the war on drugs for a long time .
none of the research supports the insane poylices on drugs we now have