[valis]

I guess 'usual' nowadays fits....it seems (to me at least) that we've fallen into the SEP trap, Somebody Else's Problem, and expect someone else to come to the rescue, and as a result, don't take ownership of our actions. I won't say I'm the greenest person out there (primarily because I detest hippies) but I refuse to drive a car that gets less than 30 mpg, and I don't understand how we managed to get to a point (in the US at least) where we BRAG about getting 15 mpg.....to me, that's just ludicrous.

To continue my rant, we don't have the option to recycle here in Houston, which is the 4th biggest city in the nation. Let me rephrase that; you can put your recyclables in your car, then drive them to the center, but from where we live to the center is 35 miles, so I would assume that we are doing just as much damage to the environment driving them there as we would be recycling them, and wasting a day doing so.

So I think 'usual' fits, but it didnt' use to.

[person]

Originally Posted by valis

I guess 'usual' nowadays fits....it seems (to me at least) that we've fallen into the SEP trap, Somebody Else's Problem, and expect someone else to come to the rescue, and as a result, don't take ownership of our actions. I won't say I'm the greenest person out there (primarily because I detest hippies) but I refuse to drive a car that gets less than 30 mpg, and I don't understand how we managed to get to a point (in the US at least) where we BRAG about getting 15 mpg.....to me, that's just ludicrous.

To continue my rant, we don't have the option to recycle here in Houston, which is the 4th biggest city in the nation. Let me rephrase that; you can put your recyclables in your car, then drive them to the center, but from where we live to the center is 35 miles, so I would assume that we are doing just as much damage to the environment driving them there as we would be recycling them, and wasting a day doing so.

So I think 'usual' fits, but it didnt' use to.

Gee, at least where I am we have the regular recycle bin pickup.

Somehow I think you and LAN are on different sides of the fence, sure you agree on some points but it's clear there's a great difference of opinion. I may not be as knowledgeable about this as you but for at least some points I'm agreeing with you!

[LANMaster]

* Perk *

My ears were burning.

BTW, I recycle and I am looking into an agreement with my landlord to place solar panels all over my roof.
(So long as it can be done without being an eyesore to the neighborhood)

But niether of those has anything to do with man-made global warming. It's just a responsible effort for a steward of this planet. and simple economics.
Not to mention that I appreciate clean air and water.

[person]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

* Perk *

My ears were burning.

BTW, I recycle and I am looking into an agreement with my landlord to place solar panels all over my roof.
(So long as it can be done without being an eyesore to the neighborhood)

But niether of those has anything to do with man-made global warming. It's just a responsible effort for a steward of this planet. and simple economics.
Not to mention that I appreciate clean air and water.

If your ears are burning get some water quick!

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by person

Okay I don't know how to take that but I'll hope it's not something bad. Yet I do like the tag line, however it's more like the usual plan of action.

Valis and I don't agree upon much, but I can assure you that he meant no attack on you.
While we disagree, we remain civil and respectful.
Remember, this IS civilized debate and thick skins are required as much as body armor in combat.

[person]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Valis and I don't agree upon much, but I can assure you that he meant no attack on you.
While we disagree, we remain civil and respectful.
Remember, this IS civilized debate and thick skins are required as much as body armor in combat.

Look after dealing with Mulder you get a thick skin and then run to a doctor .

[valis]

Originally Posted by person

Gee, at least where I am we have the regular recycle bin pickup.

Somehow I think you and LAN are on different sides of the fence, sure you agree on some points but it's clear there's a great difference of opinion. I may not be as knowledgeable about this as you but for at least some points I'm agreeing with you!

actually, lan and I are on the same side of the fence on about 99% of the issue of global warming......what makes you think we aren't?

[valis]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

* Perk *

My ears were burning.

stop lighting your Q-Tips.

[person]

Originally Posted by valis

actually, lan and I are on the same side of the fence on about 99% of the issue of global warming......what makes you think we aren't?

Ah, check a few posts back where LAN said you didn't agree on much.

[valis]

Originally Posted by person

Gee, at least where I am we have the regular recycle bin pickup.

Somehow I think you and LAN are on different sides of the fence, sure you agree on some points but it's clear there's a great difference of opinion. I may not be as knowledgeable about this as you but for at least some points I'm agreeing with you!

and yes, I realize that the recycling thing is ludicrous. Couldn't believe it myself, but what do you do......

As for agreeing with me, read what I posted; you'll see that I agreed with YOU; the 'usual' part, at least.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by Stoner

The issue isn't and hasn't been that glogal warming is occuring because of man....well, reasonable minds anyway. The issue is over man's industrialization and general emissions speeding up the process.
It's cyclic. Does man speed up the change?
I suspect so. How much is really the question and what, if anything, can be done about it.
The way Kyoto was written with exclusions, I suspect nothing will be accomplished whether the US gets involved or not....
But....that's politics, not the scientific aspects of the situation.
Saw an article about the high end of global warming within the geologic records, several weeks ago.
The estimated ocean temps were pegged at 107 F.
So you get that scenic ocean view at your door step and have little need for a hot water heater .....talk about energy savings.

Just found this.
I bolded 2 areas.

First area .... The issue IS about warming caused by man.

Second area ... 107 F estimated ocean temps? I'd like to see where any ocean temp has been measured anywhere near this level.....anywhere.

But apparently Stoner is not here to defend himself, so I'll leave this as is.

Sure wish he'd come back, though.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by person

If your ears are burning get some water quick!

Got some ..... thanks!

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Just found this.
I bolded 2 areas.

First area .... The issue IS about warming caused by man.

Second area ... 107 F estimated ocean temps? I'd like to see where any ocean temp has been measured anywhere near this level.....anywhere.

But apparently Stoner is not here to defend himself, so I'll leave this as is.

Sure wish he'd come back, though.

No.
I'm done with your BS and misrepresentations.

[person]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Just found this.
I bolded 2 areas.

First area .... The issue IS about warming caused by man.

Second area ... 107 F estimated ocean temps? I'd like to see where any ocean temp has been measured anywhere near this level.....anywhere.

But apparently Stoner is not here to defend himself, so I'll leave this as is.

Sure wish he'd come back, though.

He's busy at another thread and making the lamest jokes!

[bassetman]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Something I just thought about ....

What if Global warming is the planet's way of pre-empting a catastrophic event which would cause major cooling, such as the Yellowstone Caldera erupting or an asteroid impact.

What made me think of this is all of the extreme ideas for countering warming.

The planet seems to have been around for quite some time. This warming trend might actually cause the very event which will solve it.

Just something to think about before we pollute the oceans with iron dust.

The planet will survive anything, the question is, will we?