[compushlep]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Both require a certain level of faith.
.... and thank you for noticing.

Not in the religious sence, equating science in that way is BS ...
btw, your hamster's arse is back on 'ignore' as of now.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by compushlep

Not in the religious sence, equating science in that way is BS ...
btw, your hamster's arse is back on 'ignore' as of now.

Leave my hampster out of this.



Best put Iltos on ignore also, as he agrees with me on the fact that certain theories rely on the faith of one's conjecture.

[brite750]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Both require a certain level of faith.

.... and thank you for noticing.

real science does not require faith you either prove something or it remains a theory, you could say that the Bible is a theory, not one that is backed up by scientific evidence but a spritual theory of sorts.
if I am on Earth or any planet and throw an apple, if I know the mass, initial velocity, angle of tragetory, wind velocity, etc. I can predict through math and science where the apple will land, thats not faith. dont blur the difference of religion and science by saying real science is a faith, that is why some people are so confused, they think science is a faith and religion is a science, the 2 things are really completely different.

[brite750]

Originally Posted by compushlep

Right on!
"Hell of" must be a lot, so it should be easy for you to provide proof. So far I haven't seen any such effort from you.

you don’t think that there is a hell of a lot more evidence that evolution is real, more so than man-made global warming, all we have for MMGW is that its getting warmer for the last 100 years, and it some what coincides with mans consumption of fossil fuels. We don’t have data from much more than that, we know at one time that it was warm then it got cold then it got warm, etc, etc, over and over, that’s hardly definitive proof that man is causing anything and like I said there is very little that will be done about it and IMO can be done about it. Its also BS to believe that everything from GW will be a bad thing, many benefits will come out of it also, Al Gore is a hysteria monger whoring apocalypse for profit, and knows almost nothing about what he is talking about, he flies around in a jet plane spewing garbage into the upper atmosphere, like a pig, burning 2000 gallons of fossil fuel and depositing it at the Earths most vulnerable location. Has a 10,000sq ft mansion burning god only knows how many kilowatts of electricity, more than likely made from burning coal, or natural gas. He is an utter hypocrite.

[compushlep]

Originally Posted by brite750

you don’t think that there is a hell of a lot more evidence that evolution is real, more so than man-made global warming, all we have for MMGW is that its getting warmer for the last 100 years, and it some what coincides with mans consumption of fossil fuels. We don’t have data from much more than that, we know at one time that it was warm then it got cold then it got warm, etc, etc, over and over, that’s hardly definitive proof that man is causing anything and like I said there is very little that will be done about it and IMO can be done about it. Its also BS to believe that everything from GW will be a bad thing, many benefits will come out of it also, Al Gore is a hysteria monger whoring apocalypse for profit, and knows almost nothing about what he is talking about, he flies around in a jet plane spewing garbage into the upper atmosphere, like a pig, burning 2000 gallons of fossil fuel and depositing it at the Earths most vulnerable location. Has a 10,000sq ft mansion burning god only knows how many kilowatts of electricity, more than likely made from burning coal, or natural gas. He is an utter hypocrite.

Heh ... yours is hardly an effort to provide proof, not even close. In its complete absence you resort to more Big Al trashing/messenger shooting ... ya shoulda stuck with your other rant which was at least funnier, on a cave-dweller level that is

But let's get some priorities straight here, hope it occurred to you that if we don't deal with GW first, firming up the evolution theory will become even less urgent. I'm thinking that searching for the beginnings of life may be a little redundant (nigh impossible ) after it's been extinguished

[Littlefield]

Wonder how the debate between Kerry and Newt went ?

[compushlep]

Originally Posted by Littlefield

Wonder how the debate between Kerry and Newt went ?

A law degree debating a PhD in political history ... on the topic of climate science?? That shoulda been real interestin' ... it's a good thing I missed it!

[MSM Hobbes]

So,,, anyone have some popcorn to share while watching these series?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr5O1HsTVgA [5 clips]

,,,and,,,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5ZU2pVfbQ [10 clips]



And, then for some giggles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzOcq...elated&search=

[be sure to visit their website too... ]

[compushlep]

Forget the popcorn, both flicks are timewasters supreme ... in Hollywood's terms they'd not even make the B-movie category! I don't even think they'd show up on the cult followers list

The first one, Doomsday, is from 2004 ... contains old info which was hashed and rehashed ad infinitum ... futile in trying to disprove the old IPCC report from 2001, falls way short of the intended mark. The new-just-released IPCC report is even stronger, I'd like to see the Doomsday hacks try to have a go at that one. On second thought, no I wouldn't ...

The other, Swindle, is a crock discredited even by some of the people whose statements it blatantly misrepresented. It also does nothing new, rather it rehashes the usual specious claims we hear all the time. If anything, the viewer should feel swindled for having his/her time wasted.

Best save you munchies for the funnies

[brite750]

Originally Posted by compushlep

Heh ... yours is hardly an effort to provide proof, not even close. In its complete absence you resort to more Big Al trashing/messenger shooting ... ya shoulda stuck with your other rant which was at least funnier, on a cave-dweller level that is

But let's get some priorities straight here, hope it occurred to you that if we don't deal with GW first, firming up the evolution theory will become even less urgent. I'm thinking that searching for the beginnings of life may be a little redundant (nigh impossible ) after it's been extinguished

all I can say is I have a life I have about 10 minutes a day to get in here and rattle cages, you want to do research, provide proof, fine go for it, i dont have time, this is for entertainment purposes only, mine.

[lotuseclat79]

Tropical forests: Earth's air conditioner
Article here.

How effective are new trees in offsetting the carbon footprint? A new study suggests that the location of the new trees is an important factor when considering such carbon offset projects. Planting and preserving forests in the tropics is more likely to slow down global warming.


Planting and preserving forests in the tropics is more likely to slow down global warming.

-- Tom

[LANMaster]

Unseasonal snow closes schools, grounds airlines

CHICAGO - Another spring snowstorm spread across the upper Midwest on Wednesday, closing schools and grounding more than 200 airline flights.

North Dakota had already measured 7 inches, and up to 10 inches was possible in Wisconsin, the National Weather Service said.

More than 200 flights were canceled at O'Hare International Airport because of poor visibility, said aviation spokeswoman Wendy Abrams. The airport also had delays that were about 60 to 90 minutes on inbound and outbound flights. Delays at Midway Airport were about 20 to 30 minutes, she said.

Nearly two dozen school districts canceled classes Wednesday across southern Minnesota, where up to 6 inches of snow was forecast.

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Up to 9 inches of snow was forecast in northern Iowa, where normal temperatures at this time of year are in the 60s.

"This is quite unusual in terms of snowfall this late in the season," said Rich Kinney, a weather service meteorologist in Johnston, Iowa.

Five inches of snow was possible in northern Illinois, before turning to rain during the afternoon.

During the weekend, a cold wave sent temperatures to the freezing point as far south as the Gulf states, devastating crops, and heavy snow wiped out scheduled Angels-Indians baseball for four straight days at Cleveland. The teams' games were finally moved to an enclosed field at Milwaukee.

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[iltos]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Leave my hampster out of this.



Best put Iltos on ignore also, as he agrees with me on the fact that certain theories rely on the faith of one's conjecture.

actually, what i said was (if you are referring to yesterday in the evolution thread), was that there's a certain amount of faith re: hypotheses

which doesn't mean the theories are fact, but that they have enough evidence to support them as working models for what is observed.

but i do think these words get thrown around a lot and are misused by laypeople like me....

not a disagreement LAN so much as a clarification

[LANMaster]

HA! Nice worming there.

[LANMaster]

New York Temperatures Rival Record for Coldest April

April 10 (Bloomberg) -- The groundhog's prediction for an early spring is proving wrong in New York City, where a cold front has kept temperatures about 7 degrees below the historical average this month, the National Weather Service said.

Just 10 days into April, temperatures have averaged 42 degrees Fahrenheit (5.5 Celsius), about one degree warmer than the average for April 1874, the coldest on record, said Michael Silva, meteorologist with the National Weather Service's Upton, New York, station.

``A polar vortex that originated from northern Canada dropped south and parked itself over the northern U.S.,'' Silva said. ``Temperatures are starting to creep back up, but we're still about 5 degrees below normal today.''

Boston has also seen temperatures about 7 degrees below normal, while Chicago has averaged about 5 degrees below normal since the beginning of April.

Major League Baseball's Cleveland Indians team moved its home opener against the Anaheim Angels to Miller Park in Milwaukee after Jacob's Field was blanketed with about 10 inches (25 centimeters) of snow this weekend. The Milwaukee ballpark has a retractable roof.

In New York's Central Park, April temperatures averaged 53 degrees Fahrenheit in the 30-year period ended 2000, the weather service said. Daily averages have fallen as much as 14 degrees below the norms in the past week.

In February, Punxsutawney Phil predicted an early spring when he didn't see his shadow, in keeping with a German superstition. The annual tradition holds that another six weeks of winter is in store if the groundhog sees his shadow.

Punxsutawney Phil aught to be predicting global warming. He has every bit as much talent for that as predicting the early spring, and perhaps even more talent than Al Gore and other left wing alarmists.

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