[lizard]

Here's something a little more recent on Antarctica, published last month...

Antarctic glaciers picking up speed

Hundreds of glaciers in the Antarctic peninsula are flowing faster, adding to a rise in sea levels, UK experts say, pointed the finger of blame at climate change.

In a study the British Antarctic Survey reports a 12% increase in the speed of over 300 glaciers monitored by satellite between 1993 and 2003.

...............................

In February, the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) predicted that sea levels will rise by between 18-59 centimetres this century, mainly as a result of thermal expansion, as water expands when it is heated.

This level could be amplified by run-off from melting polar icesheets, the IPCC says.

It stresses, though, that the response of Antarctica, a vast continent where the bulk of the world's fresh water is locked up, is largely unknown.

There's reasons why it's largely unknown.
It's usually very cold there and it's twice the size of the United States.

[lizard]

Originally Posted by BanditFlyer

"Organic" just means "having to do with carbon". Just clearing that up for anyone who doesn't already know.

That's what the was for.
just kidding on that.

[bryantms]

Here's a few more recent articles for your use:

The truth is, we can't ignore the Sun
Recent Oppositely directed trends in solar climate forcings and the global mean surface air temperature (Scientific Paper and great resource!)
Claiming that sea level is rising is a total fraud
U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works Press Release

[Sarge]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...70715/20070715

British man calls North Pole swim a tragedy
Updated Sun. Jul. 15 2007 8:41 PM ET

Canadian Press

TORONTO -- A British swimmer who says he wants to wake up politicians around the world to the threat of climate change has successfully completed a kilometre-long swim in the freezing water of the North Pole.

Lewis Gordon Pugh swam Sunday for 18 minutes and 50 seconds in temperatures of minus 1.8 degrees Celsius in just Speedo briefs, cap and goggles.

"I am obviously ecstatic to have succeeded but this swim is a triumph and a tragedy,'' the 37-year-old British lawyer said after coming out of the water.

"A triumph that I could swim in such ferocious conditions but a tragedy that it's possible to swim at the North Pole.''

Pugh said he hoped that his swim will make world leaders take climate change seriously.

"The decisions which they make over the next few years will determine the biodiversity of our world,'' he said.

"I want my children, and their children, to know that polar bears are still living in the Arctic -- these creatures are on the front line up here.''

Swimming has given him a unique perspective on climate change, Pugh says on his website.

"I have witnessed retreating glaciers, decreasing sea ice, coral bleaching, severe droughts and the migration of animals to colder climates.''

"It's as a result of these experiences that I am determined to do my bit to raise awareness about the fragility of our environment and to encourage everyone to take action.''

Training for the challenge in northern Norway, Pugh said last month that he would place the flags of 10 countries at 100-metre intervals in the snow alongside his path through the water, representing the homes of the people on his team. The fifth flag would be Canada's.

"Canada is so important to me. Your government has sort of lurched away from the environment a little bit. It's a dream to try to get my message in to Canada,'' Pugh said in June.

Calling it the hardest swim of his life, Pugh said Sunday that the water was black when he jumped in.

"It was like jumping into a dark black hole. It was frightening. The pain was immediate and felt like my body was on fire,'' said Pugh, who's an ambassador for the World Wildlife Fund UK.

"I was in excruciating pain from beginning to end and I nearly quit on a few occasions.''

Colin Butfield of WWF UK called the challenge "a bitter sweet victory, as this swim has only been possible because of climate change.''

Pugh is known for his epic swims in waters from the Antarctic to the Indian Ocean.

[bryantms]

Originally Posted by Sarge

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...70715/20070715

British man calls North Pole swim a tragedy
Updated Sun. Jul. 15 2007 8:41 PM ET

Canadian Press

TORONTO -- A British swimmer who says he wants to wake up politicians around the world to the threat of climate change has successfully completed a kilometre-long swim in the freezing water of the North Pole.

Lewis Gordon Pugh swam Sunday for 18 minutes and 50 seconds in temperatures of minus 1.8 degrees Celsius in just Speedo briefs, cap and goggles.

"I am obviously ecstatic to have succeeded but this swim is a triumph and a tragedy,'' the 37-year-old British lawyer said after coming out of the water.

"A triumph that I could swim in such ferocious conditions but a tragedy that it's possible to swim at the North Pole.''

Pugh said he hoped that his swim will make world leaders take climate change seriously.

"The decisions which they make over the next few years will determine the biodiversity of our world,'' he said.

"I want my children, and their children, to know that polar bears are still living in the Arctic -- these creatures are on the front line up here.''

Swimming has given him a unique perspective on climate change, Pugh says on his website.

"I have witnessed retreating glaciers, decreasing sea ice, coral bleaching, severe droughts and the migration of animals to colder climates.''

"It's as a result of these experiences that I am determined to do my bit to raise awareness about the fragility of our environment and to encourage everyone to take action.''

Training for the challenge in northern Norway, Pugh said last month that he would place the flags of 10 countries at 100-metre intervals in the snow alongside his path through the water, representing the homes of the people on his team. The fifth flag would be Canada's.

"Canada is so important to me. Your government has sort of lurched away from the environment a little bit. It's a dream to try to get my message in to Canada,'' Pugh said in June.

Calling it the hardest swim of his life, Pugh said Sunday that the water was black when he jumped in.

"It was like jumping into a dark black hole. It was frightening. The pain was immediate and felt like my body was on fire,'' said Pugh, who's an ambassador for the World Wildlife Fund UK.

"I was in excruciating pain from beginning to end and I nearly quit on a few occasions.''

Colin Butfield of WWF UK called the challenge "a bitter sweet victory, as this swim has only been possible because of climate change.''

Pugh is known for his epic swims in waters from the Antarctic to the Indian Ocean.

Do you know the definition of anecdotal?

based on personal observation, case study reports, or random investigations rather than systematic scientific evaluation

Edit: I just found this to be absolutely hilarious - the title of this thread is "Solved - Global Warming". I know you're supposed to put solved in other threads when you figure it out, but I'm wondering what was solved in this particular thread.

[SlackAli]

Originally Posted by bryantms

Do you know the definition of anecdotal?

Do you know the definition of empirical? Actually, I probably don't need to send this over the forum as you can probably see me, what with the world being flat 'n'all

[valis]

I was just going to say, that sounds rather empirical to me.....

[lizard]

Originally Posted by bryantms

Here's a few more recent articles for your use:

The truth is, we can't ignore the Sun
Recent Oppositely directed trends in solar climate forcings and the global mean surface air temperature (Scientific Paper and great resource!)
Claiming that sea level is rising is a total fraud
U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works Press Release

The first link is in the /opinion/ section of their site.

The following graphic are the conclusions to the PDF in your second link....

Authors of the third link claiming that sea level rise is a fraud should tell it to the Bangladeshis near the Bay of Bengal.
The Scientist needs some support from the scientific community on his theory that subsidence of land masses balances out rising sea levels, and he does admit that sea level is rising.

The title for the article at the "U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works Press Release" link is Renowned Scientist Defects From Belief in Global Warming.

[lizard]

^^^^

Originally Posted by bryantms

Do you know the definition of anecdotal?

based on personal observation, case study reports, or random investigations rather than systematic scientific evaluation

Good One!

[LANMaster]

Erroneous Information Clouds Global Warming Debate

The July 13 article “Things we can all do to stop global warming” by climate alarmist Naomi Oreskes is riddled with misleading information and factual errors.

Oreskes asserts global warming is causing crop losses, yet 2006 was the best year ever for the nation’s soybean crop and the third-best year ever for the nation’s corn crop. This improves upon record crop yields in 2004 and 2005. ( http://www.nass.usda.gov/Newsroom/2007/01_12_2007.asp)

Oreskes asserts that global warming is causing deadly summer heat waves, yet a 2006 study in Physical Review showed that record-breaking temperatures on the East Coast are no more common than in years past. ( http://co2science.org/scripts/CO2Sci...jsp?Print-true)

Similarly, a just-released study of temperatures in the Midwest shows that record-high temperatures are less prevalent than in decades past.
( http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Des_...ly_Records.pdf)

Oreskes claims global warming is causing polar ice to melt, yet Antarctica as a whole is getting colder and the ice sheet as a whole is growing. ( http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/New...p3?img_id=1725) Moreover, the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) projects that Antarctica will continue gaining ice mass for at least the next full century. ( http://www.ipcc.ch/WG1_SPM_17Apr07.pdf) Similarly, the last two decades of the 20th century were the two coldest in Greenland since the 1910s.
( http://www.worldclimatereport.com/in...-temperature/)

Much more

[lizard]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Erroneous Information Clouds Global Warming Debate

Lan, People at globalwarmingheartland should learn how to read. If they knew how to read, they might understand.

Things we can all do to stop global warming

The only place it was published was in San Diego.
How impressive. Anyway.....

crop losses ____________________________

Originally Posted by globalwarmingheartland

Oreskes asserts global warming is causing crop losses, yet 2006 was the best year ever for the nation’s soybean crop and the third-best year ever for the nation’s corn crop. This improves upon record crop yields in 2004 and 2005. ( http://www.nass.usda.gov/Newsroom/2007/01_12_2007.asp)

This is what Naomi Oreskes actually wrote about crop losses:

Statewide, farmers lost more than a billion dollars worth of crops – grapes, corn, tomatoes, walnuts and plums – and more than 16,000 cattle.

Does she say Nationwide? No, she doesn't.

heat waves ____________________________

Originally Posted by globalwarmingheartland

Oreskes asserts that global warming is causing deadly summer heat waves, yet a 2006 study in Physical Review showed that record-breaking temperatures on the East Coast are no more common than in years past. ( http://co2science.org/scripts/CO2Sci...jsp?Print-true)

Similarly, a just-released study of temperatures in the Midwest shows that record-high temperatures are less prevalent than in decades past.
( http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Des_...ly_Records.pdf)

This is what Naomi Oreskes actually wrote about heat waves:

Originally Posted by Oreskes

Doubters may argue that no one heat wave can be blamed on global warming, and that's true. There have always been heat waves, and there always will be. But when we see record-breaking heat waves across the country and in Europe – as we are seeing again this summer –

So you're saying nobody had a heatwave in the United States this year? Ya think she's talking mostly about Europe?

polar ice melt ___________________________

Originally Posted by globalwarmingheartland

Oreskes claims global warming is causing polar ice to melt, yet Antarctica as a whole is getting colder and the ice sheet as a whole is growing. ( http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/New...p3?img_id=1725)

This is what Naomi Oreskes actually wrote about polar ice:

Originally Posted by Oreskes

The evidence of global warming includes melting polar ice, rising sea level and animals shifting their habitats.

Did she mention Antarctica specifically? No, she didn't. Everybody should know, by now, that the Arctic is bearing the brunt of global warming at this time.
Antarctica will step into pace in the near future. The two hemispheres react somewhat independently.

other stuff ____________________________

Originally Posted by globalwarmingheartland

Moreover, the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) projects that Antarctica will continue gaining ice mass for at least the next full century. (http://www.ipcc.ch/WG1_SPM_17Apr07.pdf)

It's a projection. Do you have any scientific news on it actually happening?

Originally Posted by globalwarmingheartland

Similarly, the last two decades of the 20th century were the two coldest in Greenland since the 1910s.
( http://www.worldclimatereport.com/in...-temperature/)

And now we're in the 21st century.

It seems that the nay-sayers in this debate are engaged in Global Warming Trivial Pursuit.

[BanditFlyer]

Originally Posted by Sarge

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...70715/20070715

British man calls North Pole swim a tragedy
Updated Sun. Jul. 15 2007 8:41 PM ET

Canadian Press

TORONTO -- A British swimmer who says he wants to wake up politicians around the world to the threat of climate change ....

The only problem there is that it doesn't imply all that the swimmer thinks it implies. It does NOT imply that global warming is man-made. Nor does it imply some of the ridiculous political stances prevalent among the Al Gore crowd.

By the way, I just want to state that Al Gore sired a beautiful, bouncing, baby mule in my 4-H leader's back yard. "The science" of that, "is settled".

[lizard]

Here's the closing comments on that article you posted from globalwarmingheartland.

Perhaps next time Ms. Oreskes will report on facts rather than fiction regarding global warming.

James M. Taylor (taylor@heartland.org) is senior fellow for environment policy at The Heartland Institute.

You're a good singer James Taylor.

Perhaps next time James Taylor will report on facts rather than fiction regarding global warming.

Or, just don't quote anybody, make up your own.

[lizard]

U.S. Drought Monitor

A very comprehensive weekly presentation of drought conditions in the United States.

Just thought some would be interested.

[lizard]

And here's a link for the North American Drought Monitor because we're all in this together.