[[root]$]

Has anyone ever considered that the Earth's climate goes through really long cycles? Again, any data we have gathered over the past 50 years is by no means an authoritative source on the Earth's climate patterns.

Sometimes we have to think for ourselves and not let the media think for us!

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by [root]$

Has anyone ever considered that the Earth's climate goes through really long cycles? Again, any data we have gathered over the past 50 years is by no means an authoritative source on the Earth's climate patterns.

Sometimes we have to think for ourselves and not let the media think for us!

Welcome to the forum

It's been discussed.
The concern from my pov is that a present cycle may be driven at a faster rate with the pollution of man's activities.

Most of the controversy is politically oriented.
The left is presenting a rapidly approaching dooms day and the right is claiming man's activities have no effect.

In between lies reality.
But there is an election next year so many seem to be arguing from the position of their favorite candidate.

[[root]$]

I agree...I fail to side with either side 100%. I do believe that increased populace, combined with higher emissions of C02 etc have and will continue to have an adverse effect on the atmosphere...however...we do forget the actions of the oceans, rain forests etc...ability to maintain the atmospheric balance.

Long story short, I don't believe it is anything to win a Nobel prize over

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by [root]$

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Long story short, I don't believe it is anything to win a Nobel prize over

Agreed,

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by [root]$

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Long story short, I don't believe it is anything to win a Nobel prize over

Unfortunately, I think that most liberal voters disagree with you & Jack on that point.
Just look at the thread started by Poochee, celebrating Gore's award of the Nobel,
based on a movie that he made which is packed with outright lies and utter distortions of the truth.

[[root]$]

Well isn't it obvious? Liberal voters are wrong

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by [root]$

Well isn't it obvious? Liberal voters are wrong

..... about almost everything.

[lotuseclat79]

LAN speaks for no liberal voters! He may think it, but what he thinks is not even distantly related to reality!

-- Tom

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by lotuseclat79

LAN speaks for no liberal voters! He may think it, but what he thinks is not even distantly related to reality!

-- Tom

Thanks Tom.
Happy Halloween.

[lotuseclat79]

Think tank: Climate affects security
Article here.

Climate change could be one of the greatest national security challenges ever faced by U.S. policy makers, according to a new joint study by two U.S. think tanks.

The report, to be released Monday, raises the threat of dramatic population migrations, wars over water and resources, and a realignment of power among nations.

During the last two decades, climate scientists have underestimated how quickly the Earth is changing — perhaps to avoid being branded as "alarmists," the study said. But policy planners should count on climate-induced instability in critical parts of the world within 30 years.

-- Tom

[Gabriel]

Originally Posted by [root]$

Has anyone ever considered that the Earth's climate goes through really long cycles? Again, any data we have gathered over the past 50 years is by no means an authoritative source on the Earth's climate patterns.

Sometimes we have to think for ourselves and not let the media think for us!

There is a lot more than 50 years of data....collected and observed from lots of different persectives, and for several reasons.......
Also, I would go as far to say even if lots of ice at the poles melted, and the shorelines rearranged themselves, and we had a magnetic pole shift, and there was weather phenomena pandemonium worldwide in our lifetime....depending on the scale a person used, it could be viewed as incidental and petty events too

[lotuseclat79]

Climate wars threaten billions
Article here.

More than 100 countries face political chaos and mass migration in global warming catastrophe

A total of 46 nations and 2.7 billion people are now at high risk of being overwhelmed by armed conflict and war because of climate change. A further 56 countries face political destabilisation, affecting another 1.2 billion individuals.

This stark warning will be outlined by the peace group International Alert in a report, A Climate of Conflict, this week. Much of Africa, Asia and South America will suffer outbreaks of war and social disruption as climate change erodes land, raises seas, melts glaciers and increases storms, it concludes. Even Europe is at risk.

'Climate change will compound the propensity for violent conflict, which in turn will leave communities poorer and less able to cope with the consequences of climate change,' the report states.

-- Tom

[LANMaster]

The deceit behind global warming
By Christopher Booker and Richard North

No one can deny that in recent years the need to "save the planet" from global warming has become one of the most pervasive issues of our time. As Tony Blair's chief scientific adviser, Sir David King, claimed in 2004, it poses "a far greater threat to the world than international terrorism", warning that by the end of this century the only habitable continent left will be Antarctica.

Government told to aim higher with emissions targets
Antarctic ice sheets may grow
Hempleman-Adams' experience of climate change | Video
Inevitably, many people have been bemused by this somewhat one-sided debate, imagining that if so many experts are agreed, then there must be something in it. But if we set the story of how this fear was promoted in the context of other scares before it, the parallels which emerge might leave any honest believer in global warming feeling uncomfortable.

The story of how the panic over climate change was pushed to the top of the international agenda falls into five main stages. Stage one came in the 1970s when many scientists expressed alarm over what they saw as a disastrous change in the earth's climate. Their fear was not of warming but global cooling, of "a new Ice Age".

For three decades, after a sharp rise in the interwar years up to 1940, global temperatures had been falling. The one thing certain about climate is that it is always changing. Since we began to emerge from the last Ice Age 20,000 years ago, temperatures have been through significant swings several times. The hottest period occurred around 8,000 years ago and was followed by a long cooling. Then came what is known as the "Roman Warming", coinciding with the Roman empire. Three centuries of cooling in the Dark Ages were followed by the "Mediaeval Warming", when the evidence agrees the world was hotter than today.

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[Gabriel]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

The deceit behind global warming
By Christopher Booker and Richard North




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Mr. Booker, North and you LAN should send that article up to those polar bears

[valis]

hate to break this to you lan, but the greenland ice sheet is actually melting twice as fast as they thought 10 years ago. Thus drastically reducing the time until it goes bye bye.

What that will mean, dunno. But the fact remains, the ice sheets globally are dumping uncountable tons of freshwater into the oceans. That's going to totally muck up the thermohaline current, and after that, well, it's 6-5 pick 'em. No clue as to what will happen.

But something will.