[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by valis

why not? Micky Mouse and crew are being subpoen'd in some courtroom in Italy, I believe. If we can get them, why not the rest?

LOL What are they Subpenaed for?

[valis]

I'll let you read it...it's a mouthful to try to explain, to say the least.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22098167/

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by valis

I'll let you read it...it's a mouthful to try to explain, to say the least.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22098167/

Ahhhh I see now. Thanks

[LANMaster]

Danish 'best-selling' climate change sceptic swims against the tide

COPENHAGEN (AFP) — As world leaders scramble to address global warming, sceptical environmentalist Bjoern Lomborg finds himself increasingly alone in his claim that climate change poses no imminent threat to the planet.

Lomborg, author of the best-selling book "The Sceptical Environmentalist: Measuring the Real State of the World," acknowledges that the climate is warming but insists greenhouse gases "are not the priority over all priorities."

The 42-year-old Dane, who once headed Denmark's Environmental Assessment Institute, has for years been speaking out against the increasingly mainstream concern that global warming is causing sea levels to rise and changing weather patterns in a way that will soon wreak havoc on world ecosystems and all of humankind.

"There are other global challenges to address this century like the battle against AIDS, malaria, malnutrition and poverty," he told AFP.

Lomborg's "Sceptical Environmentalist," which appeared in Danish in 1998 and in English three years later, blasts the growing "hysteria" around climate change and has drawn the ire of virtually the entire scientific community.

"The polar bear, which is close to extinction, has become an icon in the warming debate, when it would be enough to simply stop hunting hundreds (of the animals) each year," said Lomborg, who currently works as an assistant applied statistics professor at the Copenhagen Business School.

He acknowledges that reducing greenhouse gas emissions could prevent damages of 4,820 billion dollars by the end of the century. However, he insists the measures to do so would cost anywhere between 4,575 and 37,632 billion dollars during the same period.

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Common sense like this might cause a fatwah to be issued for this guy's head by the pro-Gore religious enviro-sheep.

[LANMaster]

Nobel Prize for Explaining Global Warming Hoax

Opinion Article.

The Wall Street Journal reveals that a Nobel Prize has been awarded for the science behind the global warming hoax.

Obviously this does not refer to the Goracle's bogus Peace Prize, which has everything to do with leftist politics and nothing to do with science. Nor has a prize been awarded to the scientists who have shown the independence and integrity to discredit the hoax. But Daniel Kahneman did get a Nobel in 2002 for research that explains how the hoax works.

Kahneman studied "availability bias" — our tendency to judge the validity of a proposition by its familiarity. Arising from this research are the terms "availability cascade" (describing how a proposition becomes accepted if the media repeats it), "informational cascade" (our tendency to throw out our beliefs in favor of everyone else's), and "reputational cascade" (the rational incentive to make our beliefs conform to the herd).

Availability cascades pose a problem for scientists:

What if the heads being counted to certify an alleged "consensus" arrived at their positions by counting heads?
That is, scientists are like everyone else in that they buy into the global warming hoax only because they've been convinced everyone else is.

This is no problem for the Goracle, who stands to get very rich off the hoax, despite a lifestyle that strongly suggests he doesn't believe in it himself.

Link

[rmay635703]

Interesting, its too bad that hoax or not we have to all live in reality with our messed up 20 year drought here throughout most of WI along with a non-existant winter.

So we are doomed to loose most of our growing areas, because of variability and there is nothing we can do or try doing.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by rmay635703

Interesting, its too bad that hoax or not we have to all live in reality with our messed up 20 year drought here throughout most of WI along with a non-existant winter.

So we are doomed to loose most of our growing areas, because of variability and there is nothing we can do or try doing.

Let's see now.
Your bio says you're in Wisconsin.
No winter, eh?

Hate to do this to you, but I call BULL CRAP!

For early December that's pretty freaking cold, even for Green Bay.

Enjoy the snow.

[LANMaster]

The elitist nitwits who insist on saving us from the imaginary climate change crisis are graduating from sabotaging the world economy to vandalizing the planet they so piously proclaim to serve.

According to one estimate, the bureauweenies converging on Bali to soak up fruity cocktails and yap about the sacrifices the rest of us need to make to prevent global warming will produce as much greenhouse gas on jet transportation and air-conditioning for one conference as the entire country Chad does in a year. But not to worry: official documents will be on recycled paper.

Fortunately, the tens of thousands of tons of emissions produced by these sanctimonious poseurs are unlikely to have any effect on the environment. The same can't be said of the maniacal schemes of Professor Thomas Homer-Dixon, who wants to choke the air with toxic sulfate aerosols in a deranged attempt to block out radiation from the sun.

Like their cousin the vampire, moonbats are terrified of the sun. At some level they seem to grasp that it is the actual cause of the mild warming we experienced in the 1990s. Another Homer-Dixon plan to defend us from the sun involves hanging mirrors in outer space.

Deet Dee Dee

Readers will be relieved that Homer-Dixon is not a science professor. A certifiably useless person, he holds the George Ignatieff Chair of Peace and Conflict Studies at the Trudeau Centre for Peace and Conflict Studies at University College, University of Toronto. No doubt it would fall to the UN to poison the world's atmosphere with sulfates and fill outer space with mirrors, since I doubt Canada has the budget.

Then there is the devastation — both economic and environmental — that the biofuels boondoggle threatens to impose.

It's past time to disband the useless supernational institutions like the UN and EU that have been pushing the global warming hoax — for Mother Earth's sake, if not our own.

Source

[LANMaster]

bump ......

Originally Posted by rmay635703

Interesting, its too bad that hoax or not we have to all live in reality with our messed up 20 year drought here throughout most of WI along with a non-existant winter.

So we are doomed to loose most of our growing areas, because of variability and there is nothing we can do or try doing.

Let's see now.
Your bio says you're in Wisconsin.
No winter, eh?

Hate to do this to you, but I call BULL CRAP!

For early December that's pretty freaking cold, even for Green Bay.

Enjoy the snow.

[Sins]

Originally Posted by rmay635703

Interesting, its too bad that hoax or not we have to all live in reality with our messed up 20 year drought here throughout most of WI along with a non-existant winter.

So we are doomed to loose most of our growing areas, because of variability and there is nothing we can do or try doing.

Hmmm, ya might want to look outside. That white stuff on the ground is frozen and more is gonna fall Th-Fri and again on Sat-Sun and yet once more on Tue-Wed all within 7 days. That qualifies as a start on winter in my book.

[rmay635703]

I wonder why the outdoor winter industries are going bankrupt in wisconsin?

By your statement about our brief couple weeks of winter I don't think you have ever been to wisconsin during a real winter.

http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/caer/...5/or051110.htm
http://www.crh.noaa.gov/mkx/climate/...2005review.php

(read a ways there are some oddities that have never happened since weather data was recorded, during the 2k's all relating to hot or dry weather in the oddest of times)

Strange I cannot remember a day in all the years, nor can my father that we could go with a t-shirt in November, yes its been cold for a couple weeks but normally we always had to worry about snow on halloween. Not to mention it was not uncommon that we ended up with snow still on the ground in June, I can't say I've seen that since I was a young child.

Last couple years it has been Hot on and off in February and warm in January. I cannot remember an Indian summer were it really did get warm when I was a child. (back then warm was 30 degrees)

Note, I don't have to look very hard to find record breaking temperatures during the strangest times of year by simply looking at weather data and fishing reports.

It isn't hard to read a weather report and see that we have been having record breaking unusual weather for the last 10 years or so and it has been progressively worse each year. True it might be a natural trend but if there truly is nothing to be done this will royally suck, I don't mind winter, but I do hate very hot dry weather, of which we have had plenty lately

Heck my father drove his motorcycle up to michigan in JANUARY.

If you think everything is normal you must not ever go outside. Even our trees don't seem to change color correctly anymore some change very late if at all, others are green and then brown and drop when the winter decides to hit suddenly and then leave. Our trees budded early in the year last year and we had a lot of dead branches when winter decided to appear for a few more days and dissappear again.

Even if trying to reduce how much polution I make has no effect, it doesn't mean I won't try conserving. I drive electric, efficiency wise my car gets around 300mpg even burning coal which is now being burned in more efficient plants I still put out under 1/10 the emissions of a normal gasser, even more so in the winter months when catalytics are ineffective for the first 15-30 minutes of travel.

[rmay635703]

http://www.businessnorth.com/viewart...articleid=1820
http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle.../11279701.html

Yes and this has just started, normally as I said first snow fall was always right around halloween or a week or two later. Call it a guess but most of the snow will probably melt in the 60-70 degree indian summer we seem to have in january or february. Heck THE LAKE IS STILL WIDE OPEN WATER, usually it would be frozen over ready to walk on by now.

Originally Posted by Sins

Hmmm, ya might want to look outside. That white stuff on the ground is frozen and more is gonna fall Th-Fri and again on Sat-Sun and yet once more on Tue-Wed all within 7 days. That qualifies as a start on winter in my book.

[lotuseclat79]

Originally Posted by Sins

Hmmm, ya might want to look outside. That white stuff on the ground is frozen and more is gonna fall Th-Fri and again on Sat-Sun and yet once more on Tue-Wed all within 7 days. That qualifies as a start on winter in my book.

Winter is a season not a reversal of a trend like global warming or climate change.

-- Tom

[rmay635703]

I'm sorry but here in wisconsin if it isn't cold with snow it isn't winter. 60 degrees is summer time, we might end up with a year round summer as winter as a season will no longer mean anything. The only thing left would be the church seasons.

[LANMaster]

We got our first ice storm of the winter season.
I've never seen an ice storm here before January.
Oh wait ..... it's still Autumn until Dec 22!