[valis]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

I would suspect that because of their stance, they seeked out the tobacco industry, as opposed to the visa versa.

seeked?


just pokin' that ol' beehive......

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by Nesjemannen

Situation of Norway

Where did all our snow go, now the green has come to be,
Who polluted our forrests, made trees wither, as do we,
Well, the earth has fever, but we can save it in many ways - all we need is to see.

Enjoy your white Christmas in Oslo.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by valis

seeked?


just pokin' that ol' beehive......

I just got owned!

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Global Warming Hoax Is Hitting Us in the Stomach
Due to the global warming hoax and the farm lobby, the political expedience of biofuels outweighs their economic inefficiency. That's why we heavily subsidize them with our tax dollar. But the flagrant waste of our money by profligate bureaucrats isn't the highest price we will pay for biofuel foolishness. The cost of food is being sent toward the stratosphere.

Corn-based ethanol doesn't just drive up corn prices. Because other crops are sacrificed to grow the corn, and because corn products are used to feed livestock, most all food prices are effected.

Consumer grocery costs are already up by 5% over the last year, and feed costs by as much as 30%. But that's only the beginning. Congress is about to double the mandate for ethanol.

Complains Jay Truitt, vice president of government affairs for the National Cattlemen's Beef Association:



The answer is simple: because politicians are irresponsible fools, and moonbattery is ubiquitous.

At least corn farmers benefit. A record 13.2 billion bushels were produced this year, yet the price just keeps rising. Unfortunately everyone else suffers. But it's wonderful to know that bureaucrats are doing something about the imaginary climate change crisis.
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Didn't I argue that was going to happen................
As I remember, you supported alcohol as a biofuel.
What's the matter.......get hungry ?

[lizard]

Originally Posted by lotuseclat79

Wind & Solar Incentives Stripped From Energy Bill
Article here.

The Senate version of the energy bill that passed last week includes great things, like boosting vehicles’ average fuel efficiency to 35 miles per gallon, increasing the use of biofuels & updating efficiency standards for federal buildings. But the glaring gaps include the absence of renewable energy incentives.

A major disconnect! How will we ever be able to afford protection for LAN from snow in AK?
Oh, that's right - LAN's snowjob is coming to us from AK!

-- Tom

Funny.
When GW was Governor of Texas he sucessfully promoted the use of wind farms to relieve their dependance on coal. Good for the state but not good for the country.
Isn't increasing fuel efficiency bad for the economy?
Increasing the use of biofuels is especially good since tailpipe emissions are about the same, if not worse, and George has his new great big ranch in Paraguay all set for growing soy for biofuels, I'm sure(80%)!

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by lizard

Funny.
When GW was Governor of Texas he sucessfully promoted the use of wind farms to relieve their dependance on coal. Good for the state but not good for the country.
Isn't increasing fuel efficiency bad for the economy?
Increasing the use of biofuels is especially good since tailpipe emissions are about the same, if not worse, and George has his new great big ranch in Paraguay all set for growing soy for biofuels, I'm sure(80%)!

It was the left who so actively demanded biofuels research.

Now it's proven to be no better, and you blame it on the Bush Administration.

Man, that is rich, indeed.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by Stoner

Didn't I argue that was going to happen................
As I remember, you supported alcohol as a biofuel.
What's the matter.......get hungry ?

I supported its research. So far, the research isn't making much of a difference in the emissions.

Do we continue?

[lizard]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Year of global cooling

The Canadian government warns that this winter is likely to be the coldest in 15 years.

Link

OOOooo, sounds real bad, eh?
Why isn't it what the Canadian Government actually said?

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/...-forecast.html
In its first winter outlook of the year, the agency (Environment Canada) predicts that until February, climates across most of the country will be the coldest in 15 years, with the exception of a small pocket in southern Ontario.

also

" We think that with La Nina — which encourages more Canadian air, more Siberian air, whatever you want to call it, Alaskan air — it tends to be more of that flow," he said, referring to the phenomenon of lower-than-normal temperatures in the Pacific Ocean.

So the Canadian Government clearly stated that this cold winter..until february... is because of La Nina.
Nowhere in the article is Global Warming or Global Cooling ever mentioned.
And why would two months constitute a Year of global cooling ?
Didn't fix your calendar yet, Lan?

Well, in the U.S., news is what you make it, I guess.

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

It was the left who so ac tively demanded biofuels research.

Now it's proven to be no better, and you blame it on the Bush Administration.

Man, that is rich, indeed.

Whoa, there....bud.
I remember arguing with you on the corn/alky issues.
I called it as best a stop gap solution.
And my argument was that it was going to raise food prices with the consumer eventually having to decide whether to eat or drive his/her car.
Food goes up and whose the first to complain....................and blame it on the 'other guy'........





neocons.........._

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

I supported its research. So far, the research isn't making much of a difference in the emissions.

Do we continue?

Are you hungry?

Wallet doing the 'diet' and you fear you're next?

[lizard]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

When in global history has the climate been stable?........
The average is a colling effect, not a warming one........

I'd say it's been quite stable since the end of the last ice age. Specifically, since the last major meltwater pulse from the Laurentide Ice Sheet, about 10,000 years ago(+ or - 1000 or 2). It was a warming effect, ie, the ice melted.
Interestingly, YEC's claim that same period as the time of creation.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by Stoner

Whoa, there....bud.
I remember arguing with you on the corn/alky issues.
I called it as best a stop gap solution.
And my argument was that it was going to raise food prices with the consumer eventually having to decide whether to eat or drive his/her car.
Food goes up and whose the first to complain....................and blame it on the 'other guy'........





neocons.........._

If I remember correctly, I agreed with your position at the time, did I not?

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by Stoner

Are you hungry?

Wallet doing the 'diet' and you fear you're next?

Confused. I asked if we should continue the corn/alcohol biofuel research (after finding out that the emissions are no better) or do we turn from that into another area more promising?

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

If I remember correctly, I agreed with your position at the time, did I not?

No, I remember you disagreeing with me as it was a project pushed by the Bush administration, not for emissions, or global warming. For an alternate fuel source to reduce dependence on foreign oil .

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by Stoner

No, I remember you disagreeing with me as it was a project pushed by the Bush administration, not for emissions, or global warming. For an alternate fuel source to reduce dependence on foreign oil .

Interesting. My Alzheimer's must be kicking in. (or maybe my selective memory)