[Stoner]

Interesting new article on the diminishing role of trees to absorb carbon as global warming occurs:

http://canadianpress.google.com/arti...aEbro6QEssZIWQ

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by lizard

Geeez, I was talking about Dumbledorf from the book Harry Potter, not the writer of your article.

Sorry. I'm Harry Potter illiterate.

[Stoner]

More on the tree issue:

Link

[Stoner]

I guess that will become the neocon rationale for logging off all of Canada _

Enjoy it while you can, lizard

[lizard]

I appreciate it, LAN.
No need to chill for 24 hrs though. Save it for when you have to go out of town someday.

Originally Posted by LANMaster

I am considered right wing by many in here, but that doesn't accurately state my position on many things.
For instance;
I'm pro choice (1st trimester)
I oppose the death penalty
I oppose cluster bombs because they leave mines behind.
And I strongly oppose the use of land mines .... ever.
I oppose the use of depleted uranium against any target that is not armored.
I support increasing funds for US veterans of all branches of the armed services.
I support same sex domestic partnerships and all of the rights and preiviledges that hetero married couples have (just don't want it "called" marriage)
I support increasing the allowable immigration to this country and making LEGAL immigration easier to obtain.
I support cleaner air and water legislation.

There's nothing much there that I disagree with except maybe the death penalty under circumstances.
Veterans all around deserve a much better hand-shake.

[lizard]

Originally Posted by Stoner

I guess that will become the neocon rationale for logging off all of Canada _

Enjoy it while you can, lizard

It'll take a big chain-saw.
Damn! We gotta get people crazy-gluing those leaves quick!

I didn't know soil microbes cared if they munch on fresh leaves or not.

From a personal POV, it seems that spring seems shorter than it was say 30 years ago. Snow and ice melt doesn't take much time at all any more, a day or 2 and it's gone. It used to always be, or so it seems, about 1-2 weeks. Could be the accumulation of snow up to that point might have changed or more variable daily temps, I dunno. But there's spots at the cabin in the Laurentian Mountains, 1/2 hour from Montreal, where there'll still be ice in May and June. There sure is one big mix of variables in that one.

[valis]

Originally Posted by Stoner

Interesting new article on the diminishing role of trees to absorb carbon as global warming occurs:

http://canadianpress.google.com/arti...aEbro6QEssZIWQ

nice find....shoulda thought about that one myself.....

[lizard]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

That is to make the assumption that GHGs in the atmosphere are the only cause for the warming.

I have shown on several occasions that the sun is in a heightened state of activity over the past decade or two.
Those references are in this thread, or you can easily google "rising solar activity", and see for yourself.

When I have a bit of research to do on solar activity, I reference Astrobiology Magazine or the Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics (LASP) at Boulder, Colorado. LASP receives solar activity data from the SORCE satellite 3 times daily.

The last solar maximum was in 2002 and the next solar cycle is expected to begin this year, and peak in 2012.

Astrobiology Magazine has this to say about the extent of effect:

During the most recent solar maximum, for example, the global mean temperature rise on Earth due to solar-brightness increases was only about 0.2 degrees Fahrenheit, said Woods. But parts of the central United States warmed by 0.7 degrees F, and a region off the coast of California even cooled slightly.

There is a publication somewhere on the net titled; "Anticipating the Next Decade of Sun-Earth System Variations" that I'd like to review but am having a lot of trouble locating. The only site I found it on requires a membership.

There's no question In my mind that the sun is a crucial component in the well-being of earth and the environment. Scientific programs such as LASP, built on American initiative and ingenuity, keep us well informed of the extent of it's influence. The Sun's "digestive" cycles are quite well known and studied religiously...but if it burped strongly enough I think we'd fry.

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Ever been to the Kitt Peak Observatory in Arizona?
It is a leading solar research facility. What I learned there about the sun was fascinating.

Never been there but I've read a lot about it and it's discoveries. Absolutely fascinating stuff and World Class.

Originally Posted by LANMaster

How do you possibly propose to stop all anthropogenic GHG emissions today?

That was an "If".

Originally Posted by LANMaster

I am all for looking into affordable alternatives to our gas guzzling glut.
But make it an incentive based deal rather than a punative one.
Offer an automobile that runs slower, but is AFFORDABLE and saves significantly on fuel, and they will come FLYING off showroom floors.

It's in the works! Just saw one somewhere on the internet a few days ago that is entirely solar. Max it can do is 40mph for 3 hours. Looks real weird, too. But, it's progressing quickly!

Originally Posted by LANMaster

I don't think global warming is panic worthy. I think that politicians are shamelessly using the issue to advance a socialist agenda. You'll never convince me otherwise. The evidence is simply too overwhelming.
Get them to stop, and maybe you'll get some support from those of us who are SICK of the likes of Al Gore and that dingleberry journalist in San Diego .... deal?

I'm not panicking , just trying get a handle on what is real. Politicians will do what's best for them in the short term. In 100 years time, when todays GHG emissions start having an effect on our great-grandchildren's lives or their children's lives, what will the politics be?

IMO, today's politics are irrelevant to nature, science, and the search for truth in the matter.

[Gabriel]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

I have shown on several occasions that the sun is in a heightened state of activity over the past decade or two.
Those references are in this thread, or you can easily google "rising solar activity", and see for yourself.
..................................

I don't think global warming is panic worthy.

LAN....It is very difficult to understand what you think when on one hand you say yes, there is global warming....and on the other you say it is not a present concern.

It either is or isn't happening. And none of us was around the last time to see the potentiality. We see the evidence, and it is alarming.

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by lizard

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IMO, today's politics are irrelevant to nature, science, and the search for truth in the matter.

Agreed................

[Gabriel]

LAN....You are so hung up in what the idiot politicians are doing to secure whatever agenda they have, that you seem to disregard the mounting body of evidence of scientists

[lizard]

Originally Posted by Stoner

Agreed................

Ahhh. Ageeance in CD is always worth a smilie.

Interesting stuff about the soil microbes.

Canada has recently been turning a lot of Boreal into National Parks and giving back large tracts of forest to the care of aboriginal Indians. This example protects 4 million hectares from development.....
A critical shield against global warming

Hmm, I wonder if the U.S. based Pew Trust read about those pesky microbes and what that would mean to their continued support.

[Gabriel]

Another consideration of the consequences of global warming

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...3/ai_n16658732

[lizard]

Originally Posted by Gabriel

Another consideration of the consequences of global warming

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...3/ai_n16658732

Interesting article, Gabriel. Thanks.

Expert warns of slow tree migration: Finds spruces may be in danger

The results found strong evidence of tree "refuges" in Alaska during the height of the last glacial period, lasting from 17,000 to 25,000 years ago.

Instead of being limited to areas south of the ice sheets and then migrating north with great rapidity when the climate warmed, as an old theory has it, spruces also hung tough in ice-free areas in the north.

For the previous but hotly debated theory to be true, the trees would have had to travel at the relatively breakneck pace of 1,500 to 2,000 meters a year -- about seven times the normal speed for trees.

That supposition was based on fossilized spruce pollen from sediment cores drilled in lake bottoms. Suspiciously, the cores contained no fossils of other tree material.

"The trees have to be there to drop needles and seeds," Anderson said. "Pollen goes a long distance in the air."

I think Lynn Anderson may be forgetting a very important factor. Trees don't have to be there to drop seeds.
Just a few birds will do the job nicely.

Fertilizer included, no charge.

[~Candy~]

Originally Posted by lizard

I appreciate it, LAN.
No need to chill for 24 hrs though. Save it for when you have to go out of town someday.

Lan is never here on the weekends. He takes at least a 48 hour timeout every week.....