[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by Gabriel

LAN, you are an absolute riot....I could not think like you if I took my head off and put it back on backwards

Yes you could.

[Gabriel]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Yes you could.

That might be what it would take...

[LANMaster]

Have a nice day.

[valis]

a little more on the shrinking of the greenland ice caps here.

When people talk about something moving at a glacial pace, they are referring to speeds that make a tortoise look like a hare. While it is all relative, glaciers actually flow at speeds that require time lapses to recognize. Still, researchers who study Earth's ice and the flow of glaciers have been surprised to find the world's fastest glacier in Greenland doubled its speed between 1997 and 2003.

The finding is important for many reasons. For starters, as more ice moves from glaciers on land into the ocean, it raises sea levels. Jakobshavn Isbrae is Greenland's largest outlet glacier, draining 6.5 percent of Greenland's ice sheet area. The ice stream's speed-up and near-doubling of ice flow from land into the ocean has increased the rate of sea level rise by about .06 millimeters (about .002 inches) per year, or roughly 4 percent of the 20th century rate of sea level increase.

and that data is four years old......wonder what it's doing now.

[Gabriel]

Originally Posted by valis

a little more on the shrinking of the greenland ice caps here.



and that data is four years old......wonder what it's doing now.

More on your Jakobshavn Glacier, Valis...this one from Nova, Arctic Expedition, 2005.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sciencenow/3210/03.html

[valis]

good link, gabriel.....thanks....

[lotuseclat79]

Modern physics is critical to global warming research
Article here.

Science has come a long way with predicting climate. Increasingly sophisticated models and instruments can zero in on a specific storm formation or make detailed weather forecasts – all useful to our daily lives. But to understand global climate change, scientists need more than just a one-day forecast. They need a deeper understanding of the complex and interrelated forces that shape climate.


Even a highly simplified model of the Earth's atmosphere shows great complexity in jet streams and macroturbulence. Mathematical approaches that focus on average statistics rather than detailed patterns can deepen our understanding of climate and climate change. Credit: Brad Marston, Brown University

-- Tom

[lotuseclat79]

Part of the problem:

China emissions to swamp Kyoto reductions by 2010.

China CO2: Even Worse Than The Fake Numbers They Have Been Providing Made Us Fear.

The near term consequence:

Fearing pollution, top marathon runner won't compete in Beijing event.

-- Tom

[wdm2291]

Originally Posted by Stoner

Sorry Tom.......that article goes over the heads of those that believe the Earth is younger than 10,000 years in age. The Devil must have put those fossils there

Yes, it does, especially when it's clear she doesn't give any proof for her starting assumptions "The fossils I study range in age from 60 to 52 million years old" (based completely on unfounded fallible assumption, based on her worldview and presumption of the age of the earth and the age of the layer she'd expect to find said fossils in). She just states them as fact. She also assumes she can know with any certainty about temperature fluctuations in what she imagines to be the prehistoric past. Again, unfounded fallible assumptions.

Originally Posted by Stoner

Interesting how a couple of snow storms is seen as a reversal of global warming and these new believers in science turn it off when it invades their own religious space

a couple of snow storms?. . you're ignoring all the incredibly (in a lot of cases record-breaking) cold and snow this winter all over the world, but hitting the US especially hard (ask those in Missouri about how mild the ice-storm there was a couple months ago, ask those in Baghdad if they've seen it snow there before.. etc).

one of the coldest winters in the last 30 years. .

"reversal of global warming". . . what global warming?. not even a degree over a century?. to try to make such a claim suggests that the measuring equipment for the first part of that century was accuate enough to make that measurement, and while that's possible, the likelihood that there has been any kind of consistent and uniform measuring of temps in every local sector of the globe for even the past 50 years is ridiculous, let alone for the last 100 or so years, so so much of the global warming talk will be ignored by those with common sense and or those who understand weather and aren't paid to say otherwise . .

most of those pushing global warming have a financial interest in it, whether it's the hucksters like Gore selling "carbon credits" (indulgences for the global warming religion), or the huge payoff of "funding" to study the "terrifying" weather in times ahead. .

there is no huge government funding (contracts and grants) in forcasting "weather as usual". . this more than anything, is why we are inundated with ridiculous stories (the constant drumbeat of lies) about how global warming is causing this and causing that. .

it's sad to see the world fall for such idiocy, but not really surprising. .

[Stoner]

For the record, how old do you think the Earth is?



No, our area has not experienced record breaking cold temps or snow fall.
Not even below 0 F this winter.
Odds are some place will , though, it's a big world .
Only one semi bad snow storm here.

[Gabriel]

Originally Posted by Stoner

No, our area has not experienced record breaking cold temps or snow fall.
Not even below 0 F this winter.
Odds are some place will , though, it's a big world .
Only one semi bad snow storm here.

Neither has ours. In fact it was drier and warmer than last year they say. Didn't even go thru all the wood this year, and that is the main heat source in the front house.

There was barely any snow in the elevations around here either.

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by Gabriel

Neither has ours. In fact it was drier and warmer than last year they say. Didn't even go thru all the wood this year, and that is the main heat source in the front house.

There was barely any snow in the elevations around here either.

The weather varies all the time from location to location.
From year to year.
It's the general direction of temperature changes plotted over time that scientists are/should be concerned with.

I think Gore has done so much exaggeration, that the concepts are discredited on his claims and not the science and data.

Funny(odd).......so much discussion has been about the ice caps and glacial melt with gradual sea levels rising, that the more immediate issue of drought is often over looked until there is one.

[lotuseclat79]

Global warming not always to blame for extreme winters
Article here.

Natural variations in weather can vary more than climate change signals, experts say.

This article explains the reason this winter's forecast did not go so well - i.e. due to the Madden-Julian Oscillation coinciding with La Niña effect. It is the first time weather forecasters have ever seen this, and they are now working on trying to correct the forecasting models for this new;y observed weather pattern.

-- Tom

[lotuseclat79]

When seas get hot, fish get lost
Article here.

As warmer and more acidic oceans are likely to result from global warming, more fish are going to be swimming around lost.

-- Tom

[LANMaster]

Warmer?

NOAA: Coolest Winter Since 2001 for U.S., Globe

The average temperature across both the contiguous U.S. and the globe during climatological winter (December 2007-February 2008) was the coolest since 2001, according to scientists at NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C. In terms of winter precipitation, Pacific storms, bringing heavy precipitation to large parts of the West, produced high snowpack that will provide welcome runoff this spring.

A complete analysis is available online.

U.S. Winter Temperature Highlights

• In the contiguous United States, the average winter temperature was 33.2°F (0.6°C), which was 0.2°F (0.1°C) above the 20th century average – yet still ranks as the coolest since 2001. It was the 54th coolest winter since national records began in 1895.

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