[compushlep]

Holy Moly!! Stop the presses!! THE DEBATE IS OVER!! LINK


" Top executives at many of the US’ largest energy companies have accepted the scientific consensus about climate change and see federal regulation to cut greenhouse gas emissions as inevitable.

The companies have been hiring new lobbyists who they hope can help fashion a national approach that would avert a patchwork of state plans now in the works. They are also working to change some company practices in anticipation of the regulation. "

-- We have to deal with greenhouse gases," John Hofmeister, president of Shell Oil Co., said in a recent speech at the National Press Club. "From Shell's point of view, the debate is over. When 98 percent of scientists agree, who is Shell to say, 'Let's debate the science'?"

Exxon Mobil Corp., the highest-profile corporate skeptic about global warming, said in September that it was considering ending its funding of a think tank that has sought to cast doubts on climate change. <--

And on Nov. 2, the company announced that it will contribute more than $1.25 million to a European Union study on how to store carbon dioxide in natural gas fields in the Norwegian North Sea, Algeria and Germany.

When even the top oil execs cave to preponderance of credible scientific evidence, and pull funding to contrarian spinmeisters, it should send a strong signal to any remaining skeptic.

Marking this thread 'SOLVED' is a definite possibility now!!

[bassetman]

Great!

Now let's do something!

[compushlep]

Originally Posted by bassetman

Great!

Now let's do something!

Yeah! Let's!! ... Start by pushing them Hummers off a cliff!!

[LANMaster]

.... tell these people about it. I guess the all need their thermometers calibrated.

Calgary breaking 110-year-old cold record
Temperature hasn't been so frigid in Canadian city since 1896

Cold set to snap city record

The arctic deep freeze trapping Calgary is on track to break a 110-year-old weather record today, but the bitter cold is expected to ease in the coming days.

With a forecast low of -31C today, Calgary could break the -27C record set on this day in 1896.

But factoring in the wind chill, it will feel even colder to people who have to brave the elements, said Environment Canada meteorologist Ross Macdonald.

"I wouldn't break out the shorts and go sunbathing right now," he joked.

"Bundle up."

The recent frigid weather is a far cry from the city's average late-November temperatures.

http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Alberta/...30545-sun.html

I guess those plans to market bikinis to Moonmist aren't going to pan out.
Mulder will be SOOOO disappointed.

[Fidelista]

Originally Posted by compushlep

Holy Moly!! Stop the presses!! THE DEBATE IS OVER!! LINK


" Top executives at many of the US’ largest energy companies have accepted the scientific consensus about climate change and see federal regulation to cut greenhouse gas emissions as inevitable.

The companies have been hiring new lobbyists who they hope can help fashion a national approach that would avert a patchwork of state plans now in the works. They are also working to change some company practices in anticipation of the regulation. "
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...112401361.html





When even the top oil execs cave to preponderance of credible scientific evidence, and pull funding to contrarian spinmeisters, it should send a strong signal to any remaining skeptic.

Marking this thread 'SOLVED' is a definite possibility now!!

Great news !!! . Bet some hold to their guns though{diehards}. Can't argue something this long and just give up because of facts!
>f

[compushlep]

Originally Posted by Fidelista

Great news !!! . Bet some hold to their guns though{diehards}. Can't argue something this long and just give up because of facts!
>f

Well, even though there are only 2% of the scientists who are not fully convinced yet, or who have a somewhat differing view still ... I suppose that a much larger percentage of 'diehards' you mention (here on CD, or in the general unwashed populace at-large) may take their unshakable* beliefs into their graves -- be they warm-watery, icy, or anywhere in-between ... case in point: look at the post above yours



* wouldn't you like to grab them and shake some common sense into them, if only just once?

[bassetman]

Originally Posted by compushlep

Well, even though there are only 2% of the scientists who are not fully convinced yet, or who have a somewhat differing view still ... I suppose that a much larger percentage of 'diehards' you mention (here on CD, or in the general unwashed populace at-large) may take their unshakable* beliefs into their graves -- be they warm-watery, icy, or anywhere in-between ... case in point: look at the post above yours



* wouldn't you like to grab them and shake some common sense into them, if only just once?

Lan's sticking with the iffy credentialed 2%!

[bassetman]

Raising Science's bar against fraud
By Karen Kaplan, Times Staff Writer
November 29, 2006


The journal Science must intensify its screening process to weed out fraudulent studies, an independent panel said Tuesday after investigating how the prestigious journal published two high-profile stem cell studies that turned out to be bogus.

The report recommended that Science establish a system to red-flag studies that claim major breakthroughs in high-visibility fields — such as climate change and human health — that could influence public policy. The bar should also be raised if the authors stand to gain financially from a publication in Science, the panel concluded.

Donald Kennedy, editor of Science, said the staff had already begun discussing the criteria to identify papers that should be subject to more stringent review, and what that review should entail.

To increase accountability, the panel said studies with multiple authors should spell out the role of each contributor. It also urged that all papers include more primary data.

But no set of procedures would be able to prevent all cases of intentional fraud, said John I. Brauman, a Stanford University chemist, who led the panel.

"Reviewers and editors look for errors in logic, flawed experiments and inconsistencies with the established literature," he said. "None of us think that all fraud can be detected, but we do believe that it can be deterred."

....http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...news-a_section

No funding problems eh?

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by bassetman

Lan's sticking with the iffy credentialed 2%!

I can see Basset now with his CFC spraycan standing out on his front porch spraying liberally in the air saying ... "Screw the Grandkids, I'm cold NOW!"

[Stoner]

Lan, gotta admit, that was pretty funny _

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by Stoner

Lan, gotta admit, that was pretty funny _

Then my work in this thread is done for the day.

[compushlep]

How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic

this fits nicely under - Stages of Denial/part 1b> Contradictory evidence:


It's cold today in Wagga Wagga

Objection: It was way colder than normal today in Wagga Wagga, proof that there is no global warming.

Does this even deserve an answer? If we must ...


Answer: The chaotic nature of weather means that no conclusion about climate can ever be drawn from a single data point, hot or cold. The temperature of one place at one time is just weather, and says nothing about climate, much less climate change, much less global climate change.

[LANMaster]

It's hot today in Death Valley ..... therefore there must be global warming caused by the evil capitalism of man.

[bassetman]

Originally Posted by Stoner

Lan, gotta admit, that was pretty funny _

It was!

[Gabriel]

Here is an interesting article

Water droplets found where ice crystals should be above Canada's Arctic

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15830942/