[wdm2291]

Here's an interesting article written by a professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT (it's hard to get higher credentials in this field than that).

As you can see from the article, he is all-too-aware of how the scientific establishment can and does penalize dissent, and shut good scientists up for fear of losing their job, their grant money, etc. .

Tow the party line or else . .

here's the link (for those with short memories, it might be wise to copy this article to a Word file and keep it on your desktop for the times six months or a year from now when you're hearing even MORE global warming scare tactics). Then you'll see the file and open it and remember it's a lot of unfounded alarmism.

here's the link:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008220

Wayne

[Rep]

As you can imagine, the author is somewhat suspect in some circles. If interested, check out this:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...ichard_Lindzen

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by Rep

As you can imagine, the author is somewhat suspect in some circles. If interested, check out this:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...ichard_Lindzen

Yeah--suspect on a left-wing web site!

[iltos]

bicker whine bicker whine bicker whine

seems like everyone's believes THEIR source is golden, and so if you disagree, you must be in somebody's back pocket...could be the evil forces of capitalism, or the evil forces of them commie pinko one worlders intent on destroying capitalism

rush limbaugh, after years of scoffing at climatologists who claim that global warming is real and man made, makes an equally big deal about an article yesterday that it stopped in 1998, thus overturning newton's third law of motion, by proving both that it never started, but it's already stopped.

seems interesting as well, that after the feds (not just bush, mind you) insisted on further studies, there is a sudden rash of american scientists who are leaping on some sort of bandwagon to downplay it.....

i sure don't know where the truth is

but it seems prudent to err on the side of caution.

[Stoner]

And the water keeps rising

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by iltos

but it seems prudent to err on the side of caution.

Yes, but that also includes reasonable steps at addressing an alleged problem that isn't even close to being scientifically established. I frankly have no problem with reasonable precautions (I bought a Hybrid after all! ). But as an example, the Kyoto protocols are absurd--ridiculous--it would cause a great degree of harm to people for what at best is a drop in the bucket in addressing the problem.

You keep working towards alternative fuels for more reasons than just global warming. In short--you don't overreact to something that likely is no problem at all.

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by Stoner

And the water keeps rising

Yeah--in your brain!

[Stoner]

Guess the ocean front is coming to a town near you.
Wise decision to own a residence on high ground
Will your new SUV float, too ....could be the next Ark
Trouble is ...there has to be 2 of every kind on board ...and that includes Liberals

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by Stoner

Guess the ocean front is coming to a town near you.
Wise decision to own a residence on high ground
Will your new SUV float, too ....could be the next Ark
Trouble is ...there has to be 2 of every kind on board ...and that includes Liberals

Stoner--at one time, almost the entire US was tropical--there were large seas that existed on the North American Continent that aren't there now. Conversely, there were also Glaciers. This has been going on for friggin moillions of years. That't the problem--these Moore-Ons cannot possibly separate out all the variables that occur, the vast majority natural, to change the climate. Yes--some day I expect there to be much more water on this continent. Thousands of years later, there will be a lot more ice and then thousands of years after that it will look like what it looks like now.

[Stoner]

Stoner--at one time, almost the entire US was tropical--there were large seas that existed on the North American Continent that aren't there now.

You're pulling my leg __
Rumor monger LOL!

[valis]

Originally Posted by Stoner

And the water keeps rising

and the salinity keeps dropping.

[valis]

Originally Posted by Mulder

Stoner--at one time, almost the entire US was tropical--there were large seas that existed on the North American Continent that aren't there now. Conversely, there were also Glaciers. This has been going on for friggin moillions of years. That't the problem--these Moore-Ons cannot possibly separate out all the variables that occur, the vast majority natural, to change the climate. Yes--some day I expect there to be much more water on this continent. Thousands of years later, there will be a lot more ice and then thousands of years after that it will look like what it looks like now.

agreeance. It's all cyclical. The weather cares not for our pitiful excuses for deforestatoin. Only ones who are going to get harmed from that are us, and I highly doubt that Mother Earth gives a tin whistle what happens to us. She was here long before we were, and will most likely be here long after.

v

[Fidelista]

Originally Posted by iltos

bicker whine bicker whine bicker whine

seems like everyone's believes THEIR source is golden, and so if you disagree, you must be in somebody's back pocket...could be the evil forces of capitalism, or the evil forces of them commie pinko one worlders intent on destroying capitalism

rush limbaugh, after years of scoffing at climatologists who claim that global warming is real and man made, makes an equally big deal about an article yesterday that it stopped in 1998, thus overturning newton's third law of motion, by proving both that it never started, but it's already stopped.

seems interesting as well, that after the feds (not just bush, mind you) insisted on further studies, there is a sudden rash of american scientists who are leaping on some sort of bandwagon to downplay it.....

i sure don't know where the truth is

but it seems prudent to err on the side of caution.

iltos, I think there will always be a small number of nuts in scientific community, and more importantly, those working as a "lobby" for special interests {$$$$}.
If this is true, it would explain a lot >>>
" Ross Gelbspan, journalist and author, wrote a 1995 article in Harper's Magazine which was very critical of Lindzen and other global warming skeptics. In the article, Gelbspan reports Lindzen charged "oil and coal interests $2,500 a day for his consulting services; [and] his 1991 trip to testify before a Senate committee was paid for by Western Fuels and a speech he wrote, entitled 'Global Warming: the Origin and Nature of Alleged Scientific Consensus,' was underwritten by OPEC"
Not a bad days pay! .
I don't know where truth lies, but I can say this---
my faith is in the "preponderance of evidece".
What the majority of scienctists in the international community believe........I give credence to.
There is no other option--unless you are scientist in that field.
There will always be a few with an agenda, but when it favors "nay sayin"--- impossible--its usually wrong.
>f

[Stoner]

The issue isn't and hasn't been that glogal warming is occuring because of man....well, reasonable minds anyway. The issue is over man's industrialization and general emissions speeding up the process.
It's cyclic. Does man speed up the change?
I suspect so. How much is really the question and what, if anything, can be done about it.
The way Kyoto was written with exclusions, I suspect nothing will be accomplished whether the US gets involved or not....
But....that's politics, not the scientific aspects of the situation.
Saw an article about the high end of global warming within the geologic records, several weeks ago.
The estimated ocean temps were pegged at 107 F.
So you get that scenic ocean view at your door step and have little need for a hot water heater .....talk about energy savings.

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by Stoner

The estimated ocean temps were pegged at 107 F.
So you get that scenic ocean view at your door step and have little need for a hot water heater .....talk about energy savings.

Sounds great to me--can just go into the ocean for a hot tub!

Although--now that I think about it--if the rest of the country heats up and the weather gets nice all over, then my property values are going to go way down! I say--SIGN THAT KYOTO TREATY NOW!!!!!!