[espressoguy]

How about our P.M. and his sudden need to be GREEN. Or do we trust Stephan Dion?

[lighthouse]

The Irony about those who are Ultra-Capitalist but anti-environment Policy is that they are Business People - so why don't they see the Worlds Resources as an Accountants Ledger - and realise that any Business would bankrupt if you continually had more Money going out than coming in - then apply that to the Environment?

[TooBad]

No, we should never meet Kyoto's goals! Pure anti-capitalism and anti-human!

[Bastiat]

Originally Posted by lighthouse

The Irony about those who are Ultra-Capitalist but anti-environment Policy is that they are Business People - so why don't they see the Worlds Resources as an Accountants Ledger - and realise that any Business would bankrupt if you continually had more Money going out than coming in - then apply that to the Environment?

This what is called a false comparison. The environment isn't a business ledger. There are no offsetting debits and credits.

[wacor]

Originally Posted by Bastiat

This what is called a false comparison. The environment isn't a business ledger. There are no offsetting debits and credits.

well not exactly true

for example where i live if you want to remove wetlands you can petition or whatever one calls it to make a wetland in another area in exchange for filling in a wetland.

seems kind of idiotic and a feel good waste that does nothing to maintain the area being downgraded. But then this is the politics of envioro wackism. As long as you do something that looks good on paper go with it.

[Bastiat]

Originally Posted by wacor

well not exactly true

for example where i live if you want to remove wetlands you can petition or whatever one calls it to make a wetland in another area in exchange for filling in a wetland.

seems kind of idiotic and a feel good waste that does nothing to maintain the area being downgraded. But then this is the politics of envioro wackism. As long as you do something that looks good on paper go with it.

And how is changing the location of a wetland the same as charging you fifty bucks for the lap dance by the young lady and then crediting your payment by credit card? This type of fuzzy logic..........if I create a wetland without having previously removed one do I have to claim a profit?

PS: Will we be using the accrual method or cash basis? FIFO or FILO?

[wacor]

Originally Posted by Bastiat

And how is changing the location of a wetland the same as charging you fifty bucks for the lap dance by the young lady and then crediting your payment by credit card? This type of fuzzy logic..........if I create a wetland without having previously removed one do I have to claim a profit?

PS: Will we be using the accrual method or cash basis? FIFO or FILO?

I will get back to you on this one in the morning when I am sober.

Not in the mood to get cross examined at this late hour.

[hotrodpi]

Trust Steve (as Premier Williams is fond of saying)? I can't imagine why. When the P.M. does not allow that our country needs to take radical steps on the environment regardless of what others do in order to avoid accelerating the demise of the global ecosystem. I confess that I'm not so confident in Stephane Dion, but at least he is not as arrogant as the P.M.

[lighthouse]

It's a totally accurate comparision. The Earth isn't an infinate resource like a Business doesn't have infinate Finances. If those running a Business spent more than it's Wealth can provide it goes bankrupt. If we continue to 'spend' more of the Earth's resources than it has the entire Ecosphere collapses. Perhaps to clarify the Analogy Business ought to also realise that unlike their potential to transfer funds, borrow or speculate we can't approach Mars or something and ask if they could lend us some (insert Mineral or Flora/Fauna resource here). So the Metaphor becomes even more important as the inperitive for responsible management is made apparent.