[bassetman]

Originally Posted by bassetman

Bingo!

PS Just noticed how late my reply is!

[Zaney1]

Originally Posted by sglv

The democrats are the controlling party now and they are the blame for every death from the day they took control as far I'm concerned. They are the blame b/c they are the ones who have blocked every attempt to win this war.Of course, this is JMHO, but that's how I feel.

You're kidding, right ? The Democrats just gained control & haven't done spit yet. The Republicans were in control for the whole 5 1/2 yrs. They too did not do spit. Don't get so hung up on the labels like others here. Neither party does much of anything but talk a good game.
Mind you, I'm not conservative or Liberal I just want our people to stop dying for BS. For that matter, I want their people to stop dying for it too.

[oldie]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

Greed is the basis of Mulder's existence. Talk about twisting stuff.

Twisting stuff understatement of the decade .. If everyone and his brother and sister and cousin and aunty and niece and granny disagree with the bloody cad, then they can't all be wrong and he be right. Applying Aristotelian logic to the equation leads me to the undeniable conclusion that, if everyone can't be wrong at the same time, then he must be at least partially wrong some of the time.

Oldyie

[johnnyburst79]

Originally Posted by sglv

Silly String? Yes, Silly String. A simple can of silly string can save lives but we can't send it to them. Why? Because it's an aerosol. A simple can of silly string, at a cost of $2/can can be sprayed into a "potential" insurgent's home and detect booby traps without tripping the bombs.

Actually, you can! There is a pilot who owns his own plane and has been flying cases upon cases over to Iraq. Unless somehow the gov't has since stopped him of this I believe he is still doing it. Zachary Peterson is collecting the silly string and sending it to a woman in NJ who gets it over there.

[linskyjack]

Originally Posted by oldie

Twisting stuff understatement of the decade .. If everyone and his brother and sister and cousin and aunty and niece and granny disagree with the bloody cad, then they can't all be wrong and he be right. Applying Aristotelian logic to the equation leads me to the undeniable conclusion that, if everyone can't be wrong at the same time, then he must be at least partially wrong some of the time.

Oldyie

I can see you were taught by Jesuits!

[plschwartz]

The democrats are the controlling party now and they are the blame for every death from the day they took control as far I'm concerned. They are the blame b/c they are the ones who have blocked every attempt to win this war.

sglv

Friend:
I spent my professional life working with the profoundly mentally ill. There I was used to hearing gross distortions of connnections to reality. Often you could see that thier needs came first. Someone who felt that Micael Jackson was singing just to her was a lonely shut off woman etc.
We all daydream often like this. But what separates these mentally ill from us is the ability to comeback down to earth and realize the fantasy.

I do not actually want to know why you are so needful
of seeing Bush etc as the good guys and the dems as responsible for everything bad. But to do so requires a major distortion of reality. Even if your knowledge of the Constitution is limited, much space on this forum has been spend exactly discussing how limited congresses power is in matters of war. Bush himslef feels he is in charge etc.
So I feel safe to say that this is a personal gross distortion of the real world. If this is how you are about other matters in your life you may want some professional help.

[Rep]

My wife works with a person, who has an 18 yr old daughter in the Army. Having just completed basic training and then jump school, she just got orders to surge to Iraq.

Her leave, once approved has been rescinded. She will not be allowed to go home before her deployment.

Of course, she can no longer count on spending only one year in Iraq, many peoples deployment is being surged ahead.

Support the troops? How about if we begin treating them with respect and dignity.

[oldie]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

Mulder served in the Boyscouts. The closest Mulder has been to the battlefield is aisle 4 at the local K-Mart trying to beat one of his neighbors for the Blue Light Special.

Although your quote is lighthearted Linsky, it rings a few bells. I just wish the Mulder huff and puff brigade were privy to viewing certain medical jurisprudence photos and videos which highlight the horror of blast injuries. We read daily news about suicide bombers killing x amount of innocent civilians in Iraq. And not forgetting our troops of course. However, how many members here have seen 1000+ pieces of human flesh and bone being painstakingly re assembled to match, as near as possible, what was once a 5 year old innocent little girl?

Such is the work of a dedicated small team of highly skilled pathologists and surgeons. Some military. Some civilian. The results of their work is then archived in medical jurisprudence media, and used at many top medical schools throughout the world for teaching purposes.

Worth noting also how coffins of our dead troops, those killed as a result of blast are actually weighted with stones.

Time our lads were back home with their loved ones. Their wives. Their mums and their kiddywinks

Oldie

[bill.aam]

I say to the 18yr daughter for wanting to serve her country. Sorry to hear that she cannot come home on leave before her deployment. I know if it were my daughter, I would go to where she was stationed and see her before she left. Pray she gets through her deployment and returns home safely.

Originally Posted by Rep

My wife works with a person, who has an 18 yr old daughter in the Army. Having just completed basic training and then jump school, she just got orders to surge to Iraq.

Her leave, once approved has been rescinded. She will not be allowed to go home before her deployment.

Of course, she can no longer count on spending only one year in Iraq, many peoples deployment is being surged ahead.

Support the troops? How about if we begin treating them with respect and dignity.

Rep, I have a question. Since this brave girl "having just completed basic training and then jump school" would have only been in the Army at most 9 months, what, if you know made her want to join the Army and attened jump school during the middle of a war? Does she not know what she was getting into? Was she decived by unscrupulous recuiting commercials or a devious recuiter?

[bassetman]

Originally Posted by Zaney1

You're kidding, right ? The Democrats just gained control & haven't done spit yet. The Republicans were in control for the whole 5 1/2 yrs. They too did not do spit. Don't get so hung up on the labels like others here. Neither party does much of anything but talk a good game.
Mind you, I'm not conservative or Liberal I just want our people to stop dying for BS. For that matter, I want their people to stop dying for it too.

I fail to see how the former Minority party is responsible for "Deaths from the beginning..."

[WarC]

Originally Posted by Zaney1

[B]The Republicans were in control for the whole 5 1/2 yrs. They too did not do spit. Don't get so hung up on the labels like others here.

They didn't do spit except overthrow the Taliban in Afghanistan, established a federal republic there, overthrew Saddam and the Baathists, established ANOTHER federal republic there, and all the while continued to pursue and catch over 500 wanted terrorists. Meanwhile, 20,000+ islamonuts have gone through Guantanamo. The Republicans are fighting, no thanks to the Democrats whom can only throw up obstacles and fuel distrust and criticism of the administration and our image across the globe.

[WarC]

Originally Posted by sglv

Poochee, what is an honest war? I've never heard of such a thing. Was the American Revolution an honest war? I think the King would not think so. Was the Civil War an honest war? I think the slave owners would not think so. World War I, World War II - I think Germany would disagree even though they were major reasons for them.

"The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's for which the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf denounces him for the same act as the destroyer of liberty. Plainly, the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of liberty. "
-Abraham Lincoln

[WarC]

Originally Posted by combsdon

..............and I think you're welcome to your opinion.......out of curiousity have you been in the military?..........

No I haven't, I'm twenty years old - plenty of time to die for a country that isn't serious about winning its wars.

[johnnyburst79]

Originally Posted by WarC

They didn't do spit except overthrow the Taliban in Afghanistan, established a federal republic there, overthrew Saddam and the Baathists, established ANOTHER federal republic there, and all the while continued to pursue and catch over 500 wanted terrorists. Meanwhile, 20,000+ islamonuts have gone through Guantanamo. The Republicans are fighting, no thanks to the Democrats whom can only throw up obstacles and fuel distrust and criticism of the administration and our image across the globe.

Why don't you just skip the parts about the US setting up governments. Neither in Afghanistan or Iraq are things going so well.

Pursue and catch? You mean use extraordinary rendition to extract persons illegally from other countries? Or to keep them in secret prisons? Or "capture" people such as Maher Arar, a Canadian, who was detained and deported to Syria to be tortured for over a year and then released because he really was not a terrorist, all the while carrying his Canadian passport?

And Guantanamo, what a success there, really. And where did you get the count of 20,000 people who have "gone thru" Gitmo? And what does "gone thru" Gitmo really mean, that we have apprehended over 20,000 terrorists and processed them thru to go back into the real world "re-educated"? And what of the 9 British men picked up by American forces in Afghanistan and sent to Gitmo for years and held without charge? Is that acceptable?

Originally Posted by WarC

To me, supporting the troops means respecting their mission and their chain of command. I believe that is the obligation of citizens while at war. Anything less hurts the effort and plays into the hands of the enemy through loss of morale, loss in recruitment, tactical stagnation, and political infighting.

It is the duty of the service member to respect their chain of command. As a civilian, it is my duty to support the individual member thru means of morale. Respecting their mission, hell no.

Regardless of what I feel, the say about the military does lie with the Commander in Chief. What you are suggesting is blind loyalty and when less-than-scrupulous politicians see that, it will be exploited for maximum gain to the detriment of you and those you truly do support.

[AKA Arizona]

I would support our troops by showing them the way home. Our goal {if there truly ever was one} IMHHO has been meet, the other issues that continue to plague the country has nothing to do with us, I have this philosophy has keep me safe over the years, let them beat there heads in when there done will just arrest them all. Part of this could work here all except the arresting part, we pretty much disabled the terrorist from striking in the US, so the arrest has been made now we just need to back off {come home} and let bet them selfs up.