[anwthan-a]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6517359.stm

Some schools avoid teaching the Holocaust and other controversial history subjects as they do not want to cause offence,research has claimed.
Alan Johnson made clear in January there are certain subjects which will be protected in the new curriculum and that includes the Holocaust.
.....Fair enough,but I'm shocked that the slave trade too isn't considered to be required learning.

[SlackAli]

Looking at this from a slightly different angle, a major part of the reason the UK education system is such a disastrous failure - and I'd defy anyone to say it's otherwise - is the fact that there is a centrally controlled curriculum in the first place, whether what is on it is the nazis, slavery or the history of poledancing.

So, no, I don't want to see slavery imposed as a core subject from Downing Street, nor the holocaust for that matter.

[anwthan-a]

I disagree Slack,I think both subjects should be taught,absolutely.
And bringing poledancing into the discussion trivialises and demeans,don't you think?

[bomb #21]

Originally Posted by SlackAli

Looking at this from a slightly different angle, a major part of the reason the UK education system is such a disastrous failure - and I'd defy anyone to say it's otherwise - is the fact that there is a centrally controlled curriculum in the first place, whether what is on it is the nazis, slavery or the history of poledancing.

So, no, I don't want to see slavery imposed as a core subject from Downing Street, nor the holocaust for that matter.

I don't get why people round here have to be so defiant 'n' all.

The UK education system is roaring success -- more & more get better & better results year on year.

BTW, since I really can't be arsed to do all that surfing for facts crap at the moment, you'll just have to take my word for it.

[Blackmirror]

Originally Posted by SlackAli

the history of poledancing.
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I found that very useful

[SlackAli]

Originally Posted by anwthan-a

I disagree Slack,I think both subjects should be taught,absolutely.
And bringing poledancing into the discussion trivialises and demeans,don't you think?

Apologies for not treating your proposition with the respect you think it deserves. God forbid that triviality should encroach into the scholarly debating chamber. If you want to produce generations of children having guilt rammed down their throats you're probably a member of the Labour Party.

Originally Posted by bomb #21

I don't get why people round here have to be so defiant 'n' all.

The UK education system is roaring success -- more & more get better & better results year on year.

BTW, since I really can't be arsed to do all that surfing for facts crap at the moment, you'll just have to take my word for it.

Not a question of "being defiant", as you so quaintly put it. I was making a serious point about the education system. If you really seriously believe the education system is a roaring success I would be disinclined to take your word if you said the sun was going to rise in the east tomorrow.

[bomb #21]

Originally Posted by Slack

If you really seriously believe ....

If you really seriously believe that I really seriously believe ...

[oldie]

Be serious now guys Regarding the Brit educational system, at least there's been one bit of good news last week. Teachers will be given new powers to reprimand out of order kids more severely. What exactly that means remains to be seen though I didn't realise there were such things as unrulely brats in UK schools

Oldie

[anwthan-a]

"If you want to produce generations of children having guilt rammed down their throats you're probably a member of the Labour Party.".....
No,but a realisation of how we aquired wealth,power..
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/slavery.htm

Heartbreaking...
This is one of the reasons I have a problem with the whole "patriotism" thing.

[SlackAli]

Originally Posted by anwthan-a

"If you want to produce generations of children having guilt rammed down their throats you're probably a member of the Labour Party.".....
No,but a realisation of how we aquired wealth,power..
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/slavery.htm

Heartbreaking...
This is one of the reasons I have a problem with the whole "patriotism" thing.

Britain has done many unpleasant things to may different people in many countries over the past few hundred years, and will probably do quite a few more. (Iraq will probably be on the Sparts webpage in a 100 years, in the unlikely event they still exist)

I could go on about the good things that came out of the empire, during the pursuit of power and wealth, but I'm sure you know them as well as me.

BUT: the fact that you, the misfits that populate the Church of England, assorted leaders of "the black community", and a few opportunistic politicians want to shed tears for something does not mean you have the automatic right to determine and shape education policy in that image.

[anwthan-a]

Its part of our history.It happened.
Isn't one of the purposes of history to help us avoid mistakes of the past?..And politicians shouldn't be allowed to cherrypick.
I'm curious about the reference to the Church of England?especially the omission of any other faith.
And you can't seriously believe its only "misfits," members of the black community and opportunistic politicians who feel this way?

[Chicon]

Originally Posted by SlackAli

...
BUT: the fact that you, the misfits that populate the Church of England, assorted leaders of "the black community", and a few opportunistic politicians want to shed tears for something does not mean you have the automatic right to determine and shape education policy in that image.

Good point, SlackAli !

and also let's stop the breast-beating for the wrong things our elders did.

[anwthan-a]

Its still happening Chicon..

[SlackAli]

The problem as I see it with your attitude and the attitude of countless number of other limp-wristed helmet polishers that populate the ether, is that you're not happy unless you're telling people how to feel. I suspect you're not really concerned with the teaching of history, but the teaching of a collective consciousness of guilt - for the holocaust, slavery, the Crusades, the oppression of gays, the exploitation of Africa and India etc...the list is endless. Well sorry, but I don't buy into it.

If these subjects were taught from a Marxist perspective, or even a right-wing fundamentalist position for that matter, I'd have more sympathy, but they're just raised in this vacuous atmosphere of emotional guilt, predicated upon some equally vacuous and spurious notion of humanism.

[anwthan-a]

Slack...How you feel,if you feel,is entirely up to you.
I'd just like the same consideration given to our kids.
Later.