[PhoenixNEW]

Originally Posted by knight_47

Have you talked to them?

A lot of pakis live in my country ( Turkey) and they say govt of pakistan and extremists have some strange dealings.

[PhoenixNEW]

Knight , you may want to travel to yemen -- see for yourself the amount of pain and suffering

[knight_47]

Originally Posted by PhoenixNEW

Knight , you may want to travel to yemen -- see for yourself the amount of pain and suffering

What do you mean? Who's suffering??

[PhoenixNEW]

Originally Posted by knight_47

What do you mean? Who's suffering??

moderate muslims are suffering.

[lotuseclat79]

Quote:
Originally Posted by lotuseclat79
What I'd like to know is why has not the World Council of Imans(?) of the Muslim faith not issue a fatwa worldwide against Usama bin-Ladin? Or, have they?

-- Tom

Originally Posted by PhoenixNEW

Usama bin ladin is the beloved person in Pakistan. Nobody dares to harm him

Hi PhoenixNEW,

The point I was making was that since Usama bin Ladin was responsible for the deaths of innocent people in 9/11 attacks, isn't it the duty of the Imans to distance both Islam and good Muslims from Usama bin Ladin since Usama is attempting to co-opt the Islamic religion for evil purposes which are not a part of the Islamic religion. As I understand it, Islam does not condone the killing of innocents, so regardless if Usama is a hero in Pakistan, why do not the most major clerics of the Muslim religion all speak as one and issue a fatwa against Usama - then it would be the duty of all good Muslims to help bring Usama to justice.

Only their authority within the Muslim religion has enough influence to save the religion of Islam from being co-opted. Why do they not act? Even if Usama holds the hearts and minds of Muslims in Pakistan, only the authority of the World Council of Islam, i.e. the most senior clerics in the religion, is enough to overcome the popularity of Usama so that everyone (of the Muslimes) around the world will be able to defeat the evil being done to the Islamic religion in the name of terrorism. Terrorism is mainly a war for hearts and minds with devastating consequences, and if allowed to continue will overturn what Islam truly preaches about peace.

-- Tom

P.S. knight_47: please also reply in addition to PhoenixNEW.

[knight_47]

Originally Posted by PhoenixNEW

A lot of pakis live in my country ( Turkey) and they say govt of pakistan and extremists have some strange dealings.

That doesn't make sense, the Pakistani government has been a huuge help in catching al-quida operatives and taliban leaders within it's own country.

lotuseclat79, they have.
http://www.masnet.org/pressroom_release.asp?id=2643

And not only in America, here is a famous Imam in Egypt has daily TV shows in Arabic (on arabic TV) he is always talking about terrorism on it and the harm it does to Islam, his name is Abdel Kafy, here is his website, http://www.abdelkafy.com/html/ (it's arabic, so it's probably useless to you unless you speak arabic)

[linskyjack]

Knight, I think that as a young Muslim living in the US, you might think of creating a movement that focuses strictly on fight Islamo-Fascism, the type practiced by Bin Laden and the Taliban. I think you can organize fellow young Muslims to go on the attack against theses people by offering information and educating the ignorant as to how dangerous they really are. Every time one of them kills an innocent Muslim or non-Muslim (including Jews) I think you should rally your orgaization to march on the embassy's of all the states that sponsor them. There is a load of stuff that can be done.

[bassetman]

Originally Posted by Ciberblade

At the root of this is fear and insecurity. Beyond that, it is easier to group people together and condemn them all rather than understand the situation as a whole. Just as the Christian terrorist who bombs an abortion clinic does not represent Christianity -- the Muslim terrorist that blows himself up on a bus does not represent Islam.

There exists so much hate and misunderstanding that the only effective weapon we have is love. Now that's not to negate the use of force, only that true change will be the result of someone loving these people enough to take the risk and the time to process through the misunderstandings. Sometimes we forget that the terrorists are people too, and that their hearts are searching for answers just like ours. That provides opportunity for the leaders to speak into their lives -- this is what many around the world do not see, which causes some to make the connection that the terrorists actions are supported by and large of the Muslim population.

If one is a bigot, they don't need to think

Originally Posted by linskyjack

The problem is that progressive Muslims like you do very little when it comes to decrying the acts of the violent Muslims who have hi-jacked your religion. You did it in your post. You made a subtle excuse for them by siting US support of "terrorists". I understand the fear that these radical killers have engendered throughout the Muslim community. Sometimes, in matters this important, good people have to stand up and be heard----no matter what the cost.

Why should other Muslims have to decry the actions of others? Are Christians apologizing for Bush's actions?

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by bassetman

Why should other Muslims have to decry the actions of others? Are Christians apologizing for Bush's actions?

That makes no sense.

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by bassetman

If one is a bigot, they don't need to think

That makes no sense either!

I think maybe you should take the advice offered in your own signature line:

..."Blessed is the man, who having nothing to say, abstains from giving wordy evidence of the fact."

[MSM Hobbes]

bassetman - might edit your 2nd quote in your last post [#38] to reflect that it came from and was originally posted by linskyjack, not Ciber.

[bassetman]

Originally Posted by Mulder

That makes no sense either!

I think maybe you should take the advice offered in your own signature line:

I wasn't talking to you.

[bassetman]

Originally Posted by MSM Hobbes

bassetman - might edit your 2nd quote in your last post [#38] to reflect that it came from and was originally posted by linskyjack, not Ciber.

Good point!

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by bassetman

I wasn't talking to you.

Were you talking to yourself?

[MSM Hobbes]

Originally Posted by knight_47

That doesn't make sense, the Pakistani government has been a huuge help in catching al-quida operatives and taliban leaders within it's own country.

lotuseclat79, they have.
http://www.masnet.org/pressroom_release.asp?id=2643

And not only in America, here is a famous Imam in Egypt has daily TV shows in Arabic (on arabic TV) he is always talking about terrorism on it and the harm it does to Islam, his name is Abdel Kafy, here is his website, http://www.abdelkafy.com/html/ (it's arabic, so it's probably useless to you unless you speak arabic)

A few others, via the sources below, have done the same too. However, how viable are they?
Why are their voices so drowned out by the BS that is shown on TV and in the papers by the 'other' side?

http://www.islamfortoday.com/terrorism.htm
http://www.freemuslims.org/
http://www.cair-net.org/default.asp?...675&theType=NR

,,,and the following which lists many other condemnations:
http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php