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Why can’t Jesus be a Jew?


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10-Apr-2007, 12:39 PM #1
Why can’t Jesus be a Jew?
Judea and Galilee were two separate states and political entities, as illustrated on the map of Palestine in the time of our Saviour in the Bible. Jesus Himself was a Galilean or resident of Galilee (Matthew 26:69; John 7:41), and a Judahite or descendent of the Tribe of Judah. The Judeans of prominence were not of the Tribe of Judah, but of Edomites. Pilate was being ironic when he wrote the sign "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Judeans" for the Cross (John 19:19). That is, "the Galilean who was King of the Judeans," as in "Queen Victoria of England, Empress of India." Jesus grew up in Nazareth in Galilee. His disciples were fishermen from the Sea of Galilee. And although He visited Jerusalem, he spent most of His life in his home country of Galilee. John 7:1, "After this Jesus stayed in Galilee; for He could not walk in Judea, because the Jews sought to kill him." His followers were constrained "for fear of the Jews" (John 7:13, 19:38, 20:19).


We know that Saul was the first king of Israel and that John was the first man called Baptist, but who was the first Jew? Neither Adam, Seth or Noah are called Jew. Nor were Abraham, Isaac or Jacob. Moses was not called a Jew and neither were Saul, David or Solomon called Jew. In fact you will not find the word Jew in the first eleven books of the Bible. The first time Jews are mentioned in the Bible, is in II Kings 16:6 (and then only in translations revised in the eighteenth century) where we find Israel was at war with the Jews and drave the Jews from Elath. Jesus Christ tells John in Revelation 2:9 . We know that God changed the name of Abram to Abraham in Genesis 17:5, and that He changed the name of Jacob to Israel in Genesis 32:28, but nowhere in the Bible do we find where God changed the name of Israel to Jew! There is therefore no authority by which those who say they are Jews can claim to be Israel!

By the time of Jesus the word Edom or Edomite had been translated by Greek and Latin into Ioudaios and Iudaeus meaning a Judean or person living in Judea. The original King James version of the Bible, 1611, translated Idumaean-Judean into Iewes. It wasn't until the revised editions of the King James Bible, that the word Jew appeared. The word Jew does not mean Israel or Israelite!

Psalm 83:3 says God's elect are "hidden" or protected ones, and that they are under attack from a coalition of evil groups led by Edom. Who was Edom?

Terrible judgements against Edom are made in most of the prophecies of the Old Testament. For instance, Isaiah 34, 63, Jeremiah 49, and the entire book of Obadiah.


The Talmud was originally compiled by the Edomites and Canaanites of whom our Lord spoke to in John 8

"If you were children of Abraham, you would do the works of Abraham. But now you seek to kill Me ... If God were your father, you would love Me ... Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to hear My Word. You are of your father the Diabolical One, and the lusts of your father you wish to do. That one was a murderer from the beginning, and he has not stood in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own, because he is a liar, and the father of it. ... He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear Me, because you are not of God."

http://judaism.about.com/od/jewishvi...sus_onegod.htm
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10-Apr-2007, 12:41 PM #2
Uhhhh--Jesus was a Jew--what's your point?
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10-Apr-2007, 12:48 PM #3
And his dad was God. He could be who he liked and make it up as he went along no worries. He already drowned the world once, who's gonna argue with him?
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10-Apr-2007, 01:44 PM #4
Dont mess with big daddy.
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10-Apr-2007, 01:44 PM #5
... because he was a Christian ! It seems obvious, doesn't it ?
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10-Apr-2007, 01:46 PM #6
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... because he was a Christian ! It seems obvious, doesn't it ?
No--he wasn't--a Christian is a follower of Christ--as such Christ himself was not a Christian. And he was of the Jewish faith--that is he followed all of the teachings of the First Testament.
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10-Apr-2007, 01:49 PM #7
Christianity was not created until after Jesus died.
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10-Apr-2007, 01:53 PM #8
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Christianity was not created until after Jesus died.
That was the point I was making. Jesus did not intend to create a "new religion" -- in fact, Christians believe He fulfilled the scriptures that Jews believe to be the word of God. Jesus much would have preferred that all Jews recognized him as the Messiah. The need of a separate faith came about because some Jews did not accept Christ as the savior.
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No--he wasn't--a Christian is a follower of Christ--as such Christ himself was not a Christian. And he was of the Jewish faith--that is he followed all of the teachings of the First Testament.
It was a joke !
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10-Apr-2007, 02:10 PM #10
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It was a joke !
Well where was your smiley?
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Well where was your smiley?
Well, where are your sun glasses and your cigar ?
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10-Apr-2007, 02:35 PM #12
Trying to seperate races based on tribes that far back is funny. Its like trying to seperate Manhatten from SOHO.
(Although it did make interesting reading)
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