[Mulderator]

Do you think citizens should have the right to carry a concealed weapon (i.e., a gun) in public? I got interested in opinions on this based on the thread on the VTU shootings and there's been a long discussion. I made this public so we could get a feel for who has what opinion.

[bonzobob999]

Originally Posted by Mulder

Do you think citizens should have the right to carry a concealed weapon (i.e., a gun) in public?

No, do you?

[pyritechips]

My choice is #3, which is the situation in Canada. Only police can carry guns here, and armoured car guards.

Mr. Mulder said it best:

Do the relatively few instances of self defense by handgun justify the risks and deteriment to society? In my mind--they do not.

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by bonzobob999

No, do you?

No--but you could check the poll for that!

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by pyritechips

Mr. Mulder said it best:

Of course he did!

[Fidelista]

Yes of course they should continue with carry. Permit holders do not present problem , are not part of problem , so why take away rights of defense???.
Seems like some are zeroing in on permit holders because of the fact they cannot deal with the real problems and permits are "easy prey". Always easy to deal with law abiding citizens when unable to deal with criminals. Frustration with inability to deal with reality.
I have issues with some aspects of carry permits --mostly training--but why in hell would anyone want to deal with the danger of permits holders unless they are just frustrated and have no real knowlege of what they speak ?.
Permit holders are not the problem --in case no one has noticed. . >f

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by Fidelista

Permit holders are not the problem --in case no one has noticed. . >f

Nope--not unitl they actually pull the trigger!

[Fidelista]

Originally Posted by Mulder

Nope--not unitl they actually pull the trigger!

I hate to say this , but post extent of problem --- how many , what percentage of crime is committed by permit holders ?. I have read of this in newspaper --don't have any links.
My impression was almost no crime committed . Possibly a case somewhere that no one has heard of --or is aware of. When trigger is pulled -- it needs to be.
The problem with this subject is --some who comment have no street smarts .
Criminals do not buy gun --go to police and have picture taken - be finger printed -- take classes , pay for permit . How stupid !. What the hell are people thinking ?.
It just goes to show how lacking in some areas people are.
In way , its a good thing , to have opinion on something you no expeircence with--do not have to live with. >f

[pyritechips]

"Permit holders" have unlocked guns stolen. They also snap and shoot a boss or road rager.

Here in Canada we are having a serious problem with Asian gangs, mostly Vietnamese. In Canada you need to belong to a gun club just to be able to buy a hand gun (the reasoning being: what other use would you have for one beside target shooting). In the club I was a member of I saw many an Asian join just to get the permit, practice until they were proficient with the gun then never show up again. See a pattern here?

[Guyzer]

I voted #3 and base my opinion on the belief that the more legal guns there are the more opportunities for the criminal element to get their hands on them.

[BanditFlyer]

Originally Posted by pyritechips

My choice is #3, which is the situation in Canada. Only police can carry guns here, and armoured car guards.

And criminals.

[Fidelista]

Originally Posted by pyritechips

"Permit holders" have unlocked guns stolen. They also snap and shoot a boss or road rager.

Here in Canada we are having a serious problem with Asian gangs, mostly Vietnamese. In Canada you need to belong to a gun club just to be able to buy a hand gun (the reasoning being: what other use would you have for one beside target shooting). In the club I was a member of I saw many an Asian join just to get the permit, practice until they were proficient with the gun then never show up again. See a pattern here?

I am all ears !. I know all about gun violence in Florida and a little in Calfornia USA.
Tell me how big problem with permit holders is ??????.
If they are "snapping " -- killing bosses --- its news to me .
Inform us -- what percentage of criminal gun violence is attributed to legal permit holders in USA???
>f

[GoneForNow]

Originally Posted by pyritechips

My choice is #3, which is the situation in Canada. Only police can carry guns here, and armoured car guards.

Mr. Mulder said it best:
Do the relatively few instances of self defense by handgun justify the risks and deteriment to society? In my mind--they do not.

Of course you realize that Mulder made that up. He has no empirical evidence or statistical data that supports that statement. Mulder just declared it. Just because Mulder said it doesn't make it so.

I still would like a response to my post in the other thread. According Mulder if law abiding citizens are allowed to carry concealed handguns we will have a bloodbath with constant "OK Corral" shootouts. However, Virgina has allowed concealed handguns after taking a gun safety course and obtaining a permit for years and yet the streets of Virginia aren't running red with the blood of innocent shooting victims. However, crime has dropped dramatically.

My turn: "Failure to allow the law abiding citizen to carry a concealed handgun has resulted in unnecessary rapes, robberies and deaths that could have otherwise been prevented. The societal benefit and utility of the concealed handgun can not be denied."


And you can quote me on that.

[Guyzer]

Originally Posted by pyritechips

In Canada you need to belong to a gun club just to be able to buy a hand gun (the reasoning being: what other use would you have for one beside target shooting).

I gave up all my weapons about 30 years ago because even then it was a outright pain in the arse to move them ( pistols ) from home to the gun club range. You had to take the shortest route from A - B and don't even think of stopping to grab something from the 7-11. It wasn't worth the problems just to be allowed to punch holes in paper. I also sold my casting and loading equipment as it was no longer needed. Took a real bath I tell ya.

[GoneForNow]

Originally Posted by Guyzer

I voted #3 and base my opinion on the belief that the more legal guns there are the more opportunities for the criminal element to get their hands on them.

Then how do you explain the explosive increase in illegal handguns in England after they were banned. Legal or not the criminal element will obtain them.