[Pinki Tuscaderro]

Can you handle the truth? It does not include liberty and justice for all.

America could not exsist in the state it is today without genocide. Hundreds of tribes were routinely murdered (men, women, and children) during the formation of this "free" country. Many tribes are extinct and are dying out every day.

Why is it important for us to remember the holocaust but it is not important for us to know that the united states government paid people to murder indigenous people during the California gold rush. How many are even aware of it? Why do people think it's ok that settlers forced people from their homes so that they could make them their own?

How can we say we are a country of freedom and justice for all when we continue to strip away the rights and break agreements with the people who inhabited this land before any english speaking person ever set foot on this land.

Why do we think that Mexicans should go back to their own country, and learn to speak English. Do you really want the "we were here first" rules to apply? I am a member of the Spokane tribe. Spokane is of the salish language. It means Children of the Sun. You should go back to your own country. We were here first. If you want to stay you should atleast learn my language and live the Spokane way. Does that seem reasonable to you?

All I wish for is that the suffering of the indigenous people of this land be acknowledged. Then maybe healing can begin, for all of us. Our children need to know what happened so that they know that it was wrong. We need to remember the past so that we can learn for the future. I will never believe that there is truth, liberty and justice for all in America until I am witness to it. Until then, it is just one big, fat lie.

[Guyzer]

Looks like you used your monthly allotment of new thread starts this morning.

[Blackmirror]

Everytime i look another one pops up .. Are you going for the TSG world record ?????

[Pinki Tuscaderro]

Shouldn't responses be relevent to the thread topic. I get the feeling I am not going to get much input on this one. I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Some things never change.

[Pinki Tuscaderro]

Don't worry you'll still have the record for responses.

[BanditFlyer]

Originally Posted by Pinki Tuscaderro

Can you handle the truth?

Speaking for the collective, I'd say no.

Originally Posted by Pinki Tuscaderro

Why is it important for us to remember the holocaust but it is not important for us to know that the united states government paid people to murder indigenous people during the California gold rush.

$5/head, if I remember right.

Originally Posted by Pinki Tuscaderro

Why do people think it's ok that settlers forced people from their homes so that they could make them their own?

It's not ok, but it's done. Past tense. All we can do now is learn from it.

Originally Posted by Pinki Tuscaderro

Why do we think that Mexicans should go back to their own country, and learn to speak English.

Why do "we" think it? I'd say nationalism/bigotry, mostly. Why do I think it? I think the only Mexicans who should go back are those here illegally.

Originally Posted by Pinki Tuscaderro

Do you really want the "we were here first" rules to apply? I am a member of the Spokane tribe. Spokane is of the salish language. It means Children of the Sun. You should go back to your own country.

Yeah, I've heard that before.

Originally Posted by Pinki Tuscaderro

We were here first. If you want to stay you should atleast learn my language and live the Spokane way. Does that seem reasonable to you?

I'd like to.

Originally Posted by Pinki Tuscaderro

All I wish for is that the suffering of the indigenous people of this land be acknowledged. Then maybe healing can begin, for all of us. Our children need to know what happened so that they know that it was wrong. We need to remember the past so that we can learn for the future. I will never believe that there is truth, liberty and justice for all in America until I am witness to it. Until then, it is just one big, fat lie.

Agreed.

[Pinki Tuscaderro]

I appreciate your thoughtful response and I agree we can only learn from the past. What upsets me is that the general public knows very little of the Native American chapter of american history. I remember the first day of history class in 7th grade. The first chapter was titled "the Native Americans". Our teacher said, "we are going to go ahead and skip the first chapter. It's not really that important and none of it will be tested on". Can you imagine how that felt to an adolescent who was native american, and people wonder why we have such a high rate of alcoholism and suicide.

[oldie]

Originally Posted by Blackmirror

Everytime i look another one pops up .. Are you going for the TSG world record ?????

Quick now, turn off your computer and get yerself down to Woolly's LOOK EAR
Oildy

[BanditFlyer]

Originally Posted by Pinki Tuscaderro

I appreciate your thoughtful response and I agree we can only learn from the past. What upsets me is that the general public knows very little of the Native American chapter of american history.

And I'm most certainly not saying that my knowledge came from textbooks or a classroom. Far from it. If that's all I'd done, I'd be completely ignorant of the topic. So I think I see your point.

Originally Posted by Pinki Tuscaderro

I remember the first day of history class in 7th grade. The first chapter was titled "the Native Americans". Our teacher said, "we are going to go ahead and skip the first chapter. It's not really that important and none of it will be tested on". Can you imagine how that felt to an adolescent who was native american, and people wonder why we have such a high rate of alcoholism and suicide.

Believe it or not, for me, there's no imagination required on that point. Just memory.

[Guyzer]

Originally Posted by Pinki Tuscaderro

What upsets me is that the general public knows very little of the Native American chapter of american history. I remember the first day of history class in 7th grade. The first chapter was titled "the Native Americans". Our teacher said, "we are going to go ahead and skip the first chapter. It's not really that important and none of it will be tested on". Can you imagine how that felt to an adolescent who was native american, and people wonder why we have such a high rate of alcoholism and suicide.

I have a lot of Canadian native Cree blood in me, Metis now actually because all the French guys came and had fun with our women. Does that count? If it does then I have something to say. I don't live in the past so all the wrongs done to my ancestors need not be righted to me. It bothers me to no end that most natives listened to gods last words to them which went something like this... " don't do anything until I get back."

[Guyzer]

Originally Posted by Pinki Tuscaderro

Can you imagine how that felt to an adolescent who was native american, and people wonder why we have such a high rate of alcoholism and suicide.

Could it be because many of the natives are ashamed of their heritage and or how they live today. Lets take you for example. By your statement above it sounds like you claim to be native. With all due respect you don't look native and if you are why did you change your hair color? If you are native you should look native and feel proud that you are and not hide behind a mask.

[Guyzer]

One little tidbit if you care. I have enough native blood in me to qualify as a full blooded injun which of course would provide me with many gov't benifits and programs free for the asking. Instead of taking advantage of the poor white man I would rather be a contributing member of society and donate my fair share to those to lazy to get off their arse.

[Blackmirror]

Originally Posted by oldie

Quick now, turn off your computer and get yerself down to Woolly's LOOK EAR
Oildy

You tempter lol

[hannab]

Originally Posted by Blackmirror

You tempter lol

You guys still have Woolworth's ....ours are all gone

[BanditFlyer]

Originally Posted by Guyzer

Could it be because many of the natives are ashamed of their heritage and or how they live today. Lets take you for example. By your statement above it sounds like you claim to be native. With all due respect you don't look native and if you are why did you change your hair color? If you are native you should look native and feel proud that you are and not hide behind a mask.

OUCH! Harsh!

Reminds me of a song - crabbuckit.

More about culture than genes.