[Paquadez]

Good morning, Stoner.

Still editing for lack of sensitivity I see!

Paq

[Stoner]

Lack of insensitivity ..............

[anwthan-a]

But I know what you meant to say Paq ..as I'm right there with Bush too..
that is,I know what he means to say...if you get my meaning.

[Paquadez]

Originally Posted by anwthan-a

But I know what you meant to say Paq ..as I'm right there with Bush too..
that is,I know what he means to say...if you get my meaning.

Well, anwthan, then you must clearly be in the minority, if you really understand what Dubya means to say!

After all, he has now confused most of the visiting statesmen in the World; Queen Elizabeth II, his speechwriters, his cabinet, the electorate, and judging by the number of responses to the thread on this forum, circa 100 TSG members!

Paq

[oldie]

Originally Posted by Paquadez

After all, he has now confused most of the visiting statesmen in the World; Queen Elizabeth II, his speechwriters, his cabinet, the electorate, and judging by the number of responses to the thread on this forum, circa 100 TSG members!

Paq

And that's just for starters. Wait until he's no longer President and doing the imternational lecture (speech) circuit. Move over you professional comediens

Oildy

[poochee]

Originally Posted by oldie

And that's just for starters. Wait until he's no longer President and doing the imternational lecture (speech) circuit. Move over you professional comediens

Oildy

[anwthan-a]

Bloodbath,...was I too late? .....

[katonca]

I think it's only fair to ask the same question of those liberals on the fringe (or just left of center). Those who believe in partial-birth abortion, homosexuality, removal of any recognition of Christianity from public land, allowance for porn in the children section of public libraries (my all time favorite liberal notion ). Can they too be recognized as being "Christian" just because they talk the talk?


Not

[Paquadez]

Actually, this thread, on second thoughts, reminds of an old gag.

A gentleman and his son, a very well brought up middle class lad who attends a boarding school, are on a journey through London's West End in a black cab.

Now for those who have not had the pleasure of visiting England's capital city, black cabs are an institution and are a unique oddity. They are the only cabs (taxis, hacks) allowed in the Metropolitican Police area, which covers a huge swathe of Central, Eastern, Northern and South London, as well as its West.

London cabs are invariably black (although today then can come in certain other colours) are upright, diesel, noisy and fun! Their drivers, who have to pass a strict examination on local routes (Called "The Knowledge"), tend to be chatty individuals and are possessed with an encyclopaedical knowledge of London, its districts and what's on where.

So, as this gentleman and his son proceed through Soho (the vice district), the son, spotting a woman lurking in a doorway, asks what she is doing.

"They are called ladies of leisure my son," says the father.

The cabby, sliding back the partition and craning his head back like a giraffe with a masters degree in contortion, says, "Do the little geezer a favour, Guv! Tell him the're prossers! Tell 'im the bleedin' troof!"

"What are "Prossers", Daddie?" asks the young man.

"It means "Prostitutes" son, " says the man.

"Daddy:" says the lad, "Can prostitutes have babies?" asks the lad.

"Yes they can my son, " says the father.

" Daddy; what do prostitute's babies become when they grow up?" asks the boy.

"Cab drivers, my son!" says the father!

Paq

[Wino]

Originally Posted by katonca

I think it's only fair to ask the same question of those liberals on the fringe (or just left of center). Those who believe in partial-birth abortion, homosexuality, removal of any recognition of Christianity from public land, allowance for porn in the children section of public libraries (my all time favorite liberal notion ). Can they too be recognized as being "Christian" just because they talk the talk?


Not

Re any abortion, as a man, none of my business; homosexuality, none of my business; removal of christianity from public, could care less one way or the other; porn in libraries is filtered to a degree, but do not believe adults should be banned access. Also, prayer anywhere doesn't offend me, 'In God We Trust' on money doesn't bother me, 'under God' in the pledge I can take or leave, and not bothered by where the Ten Commandments monuments are placed.

Consider myself a moderate, but can live with 'liberal' title. Do not profess to be a christian, do not believe in a god, but based on the scorn and content in your post, I do believe I'm a better 'christian' in the sense of the word.

As to neocons, I consider them pseudo-christians.............the only god they worship is power IMHO.

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by katonca

I think it's only fair to ask the same question of those liberals on the fringe (or just left of center). ...........................

Just to be fair, neocons aren't exactly on the fringe of anything just to the 'right' of center

[poochee]

Originally Posted by katonca

I think it's only fair to ask the same question of those liberals on the fringe (or just left of center). Those who believe in partial-birth abortion, homosexuality, removal of any recognition of Christianity from public land, allowance for porn in the children section of public libraries (my all time favorite liberal notion ). Can they too be recognized as being "Christian" just because they talk the talk?

Not

That's a fair question, IMO.

Individual religious beliefs are very complex. I have found in my personal life that very few people fit into what I call a "box" (conservative or liberal) in both religion and politics. I don't argue that point around here anymore. I got put in a box, but I could care less.

[anwthan-a]

Paquadez... could be me,the sense of humour thing...but
Porn in the childrens' section of a library?Why?
I agree with most of Wino's post.All of the last sentence..
Not sure about the "better Christian "part tho'..about me,that is.

[iltos]

Originally Posted by katonca

I think it's only fair to ask the same question of those liberals on the fringe (or just left of center).

hi ya katonca....no smilie in that quote of yours, but you don't really put the leftist "fringe" just left of center, do ya?

still, it's a fair question

Those who believe in partial-birth abortion, homosexuality, removal of any recognition of Christianity from public land, allowance for porn in the children section of public libraries (my all time favorite liberal notion ). Can they too be recognized as being "Christian" just because they talk the talk?

coupla things come to mind....and one of them may just be my ignorance.....but religious leaders who are most media vocal -who attract the most attention from the media for their views- tend, imo, to be the most intolerant....those who will telll you EXACTLY what god says about this or that, hold it up as a litmus test of your "religion", and judge you based on your responses as tho they were themselves god .

and they do (this may be my ignorant part) tend to be conservative in their political beliefs (leaving out the "neo-con" aspect of this for now).....so i, at least, see a relationship between their politics and their religion.....

there is, to me, the sense of "free will" being one big mistake in their eyes, of having to "fix" that problem somehow, for the betterment of our society.

on the liberal side....i don't see a lot of religious leaders making the same kind of public display of their views.....i CAN find a lot of those views if i want to....but they are not in my face....and they tend not to judge me.....instead, they tend to ask me to choose what is best for me, vis a vis abortion, sexuality, and all the rest of it.

i don't get the sense that their faith in god is any less....if anything, i get the sense that their faith in god includes the belief that it's up to god to sort it out.....they believe that they are doing just as much the right thing as their conservative counterparts, but they open their hearts to the vaguaries of free will

in part, because of a tolerance that many take issue with....in part, because they believe that having free will is a fundamental part of the path to a christain god

[linskyjack]

Originally Posted by katonca

I think it's only fair to ask the same question of those liberals on the fringe (or just left of center). Those who believe in partial-birth abortion, homosexuality, removal of any recognition of Christianity from public land, allowance for porn in the children section of public libraries (my all time favorite liberal notion ). Can they too be recognized as being "Christian" just because they talk the talk?


Not

You must live in a rather kinky town. I know of no child's section of any library in the nation that has "porn".