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15-May-2007, 12:53 PM #1
Healthier lives?
compare our life in the society today to the life in the past. are we living longer and healthier lives? or are we dying more quickly as sickness goes up.
since we have modern medicine today we may stand in one side. yet some may argue for the nutrition in food in the past.
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15-May-2007, 01:44 PM #2
Doesn't that rather depend on ones' income and where one happens to live?I once read somewhere that the diet of say 50/60 years ago,tho' basic,was much more nutritious.
No pesticides,additives, hormones etc,because food on the whole was fresh.
As for modern medicine..I'm always amazed at the side-effects that modern medicines often have,and we seem to believe that it is acceptable.
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16-May-2007, 12:06 AM #3
Isn't there a valley or region in southern Russia where the average life span is over 100 years? It seems they live a simple life without pesticides...
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16-May-2007, 12:26 AM #4
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Isn't there a valley or region in southern Russia where the average life span is over 100 years? It seems they live a simple life without pesticides...
I watched a TV show on that, but can't remember where they live.

My family has a long life span. 80s, 90s, and one Great Grandparent lived to 102!
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16-May-2007, 04:26 AM #5
have you ever noticed most of the great people from the past live shorter lives? what does that implicate?
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16-May-2007, 04:30 AM #6
Stress plays a bit role in health today ..

too much stress is not a good thing ...
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16-May-2007, 06:01 AM #7
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have you ever noticed most of the great people from the past live shorter lives? what does that implicate?
This is due to basic mortality rates. If you examine longevity tables and records it will clearly illustrate ages and dates.

One reason is basic: antibiotics. For example, in the early 1900s, many women in childbirth (maternal mortality) died due to perperal fever, simply a post-natal infection, Now easily cured with antibiotics.

Poor diet, poverty, poor sanitation all contributed as poor diet and bad working conditions sapped resistance to disease and meant that the average immune system was weak.

Even such a common complaint as a tooth root infection killed regularly.

With no access to preventative medicine (innoculation) basic diseases like small pox were killers.

Even up to the early 1950s, prior to the introduction of the BCG vacination for TB (Koch's Bacillus), this was a killer.

Unfortunately, at present manking is starting to regress. Poor working conditions, diet, lack of good sanitation (in places like Washington DC!) means that complaints such as TB (resistant to antibiotics now, some strains!), Weils Disease - spread by rat's urine in rivers and streams but now on uncollected garbage! - are rapidly increasing.

Chemicals used on farms, in food, in the home, at work are all taking their toll.

Atmospheric pollution is an increasing problem too: as it pollution of water.

Most important of all, as Blackmirror says, stress is probably the largest single contributary factor to a range of avoidable complaints , like cardio-vascular illness (Ischemia), cancer etc.

The life regimen to study is Asian (Indian :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayurveda) and Yoga and meditation and Far Eastern, such as ancient Chinese and Japanese meditation philosophies and martial arts.

Interesting that in Western European places, like Northern Spain, a basic agronomic lifestyle leads to significant longevity!

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16-May-2007, 07:24 AM #8
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have you ever noticed most of the great people from the past live shorter lives? what does that implicate?
Also don't forget that some days were dropped when the Gregorian calendar was introduced, therefore years aren't as long as they used to be, effectively.

(just a bit of light relief )
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16-May-2007, 07:27 AM #9
I'll agree with that!

My years seem to be getting shorter as each day vanishes!

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16-May-2007, 08:16 AM #10
interesting.
by your statement pquadez, i seems that neither the past or the present society live heathier lives. the only advantage is that we lived a more comfortable life today. but of course not all countries agree to that.

I feel sorry to see the slums in india. it shows us that sometimes, humanity is just plain unfair.
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16-May-2007, 10:36 AM #11
It is with India considering it has more billionaires than anywhere else in Asia!

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16-May-2007, 11:35 AM #12
Much talk regarding antibiotics here. Might well have been the miracle drug / cure in it's time, but bacteria have this canny ability to mutate, and have done so over billions of years in order to survive all that nature can do to destroy living matter. The down side to modern broad spectrum antibiotics is the fact they are more destructive to good bacteria. The human gut is host to as many as 400 different strains / types. Without these do gooders we would have major problems. Now food manufactures are adding the good guys to many of our processed foods, yoghurts and the like.

May well be that Malta is a first, insomuch as Doctors are now instructed not to prescribe antibiotics until the cause of any infection has been established as being bacterial in origin. Even tourists with the usual bunny hops and runs are hospitalised, given nil by mouth and placed on an intravenous drip for 48 to 72 hours until a lab culture confirms cause as being bacterial.

Modern medicine in advanced countries is adopting some very old fashioned remedies of late. Maggots to accelerate the healing process in localised severe infections. Leeches to .. err .. won't go there .. hate the buggers .. then there is Tea Tree Oil .. amazing antiseptic .. even MRSA buggers don't like it

Longevity? .. simple combination of diet, lifestyle and genetic disposition .. with a wee bit of luck for good measure

For the Mediterranean diet and olive oil

Another down side is the fact that international drug companies rule the roost. I cannot count how many times in the past I have, personally, be offered a slap up nosh or a holiday in South Yemen in return for prescribing their, long researched, wonder drug to combat marital woes

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16-May-2007, 11:58 AM #13
I haven't had an antibiotic in about 25 years now.

The only medications I take are my thyroid medicine, and that is a very low dose.
I do take the occasional aspirin. And am implored by my physician to take the little heart smart
aspirins at 88mg......but don't always do that.

I educate myself about my thyroid condition, and my menopause and all that, as I am ultimately the only one going to get my health attended to.
I consider a doctor as a diagnostician...never a God.
They can point me...but the proceedures are up to me.

In my past I have had one major surgery, and would have died without it (tubular pregnancy)....actually I would have probably died bearing my second child years before that surgery, as I almost died having her....
So I would have probably died back in the olde days bearing a child, and quite young.

But I am alive, and strengthening from the near fatal strain the thyroid insuffiency put on me a few years back....in many of the eastern medicines, the thyroid condition is not even addressed, and in my case it was the underlying factor in my symptoms...asthma, hypoglycemia, anemia, to name a few.
Once I corrected the thyroid, those are almost non-existent as long as I nourish myself adequately.

I do still have food allergies, and am extremely allergic to molds and cigarette smoke.
But I used to be allergic to almost everything.



So in my case modern medicine has added to my lifespan.....

Oh, and I have never taken an allergy medicine, or inhaler...allergic to many of the additives.
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16-May-2007, 01:03 PM #14
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Stress plays a bit role in health today ..

too much stress is not a good thing ...
I agree!
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16-May-2007, 01:22 PM #15
My blood pressure can go from 102-110/72 to 118/72-74 when it is really hot out, or I am extremely stressed. My heart rate will go up too...I am suppossed to aim that at 72-75 bpm. When I was sick, it was way higher.
Genes can go from 118/76 to 146/76....when he is stressed or overheated..... sometimes even higher.
I am forever doing unstress stuff for both him and me.....
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