[Stoner]

Interesting article at Wall Street Journal today:

http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/...l?id=110010738

"Secretary of State Pelosi
The Armenian genocide doesn't belong in U.S. foreign policy right now. "

excerpt

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, famous for donning a head scarf earlier this year to commune for peace with the Syrians, has now concluded that this is the perfect moment to pass a Congressional resolution condemning Turkey for the Armenian genocide of 1915. Problem is, Turkey in 2007 has it within its power to damage the growing success of the U.S. effort in Iraq.

Turkey serves as a primary transit hub for U.S. equipment going into both Iraq and Afghanistan. After the Kurdish terrorist group PKK killed 13 Turkish conscripts last week near the border with Iraq, Turkey's prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, asked the parliament to approve a huge deployment of the army along the border, threatening an incursion into Kurdish-controlled Iraq. This of course is the one manifestly successful region of post-Saddam Iraq. In a situation teetering on a knife-edge, President Bush has been asking Mr. Erdogan to show restraint on the Iraq border.

Now comes Pelosi with the appearance of intentionally upsetting US-Turkish relations.
This act does verge on the treasonous, imo.
Read the whole article, please.



(edit.....that link might be broken tomorrow as WSJ was offering it's pages for free today only)

[wacor]

At first blush I thought the democrats were just being their phony feel good self on this Jack. But after reading this in the story.......

The bill is opposed by eight former U.S. Secretaries of State, including Madeleine Albright. After Tom Lantos's House Foreign Affairs Committee voted out the resolution last week, Turkey recalled its ambassador from Washington. Turkey serves as a primary transit hub for U.S. equipment going into both Iraq and Afghanistan. After the Kurdish terrorist group PKK killed 13 Turkish conscripts last week near the border with Iraq, Turkey's prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, asked the parliament to approve a huge deployment of the army along the border, threatening an incursion into Kurdish-controlled Iraq. This of course is the one manifestly successful region of post-Saddam Iraq. In a situation teetering on a knife-edge, President Bush has been asking Mr. Erdogan to show restraint on the Iraq border.

It does make one wonder if the Dems did this to sabotage the war effort. That would take a pretty strong belief that they are that smart which is very debatable. Yet on the other hand their incompetence in handling the Iraq issue has proven to be an abysmal failure so I would not put it past there desperation to do this for evil reasons.

Either way it is confoundingly stupid to put that area at risk. Going into the war it was the one thing worried would make matters worse if Turkey got involved against the Kurds. Seems like the morons leading congress are intent on seeing that happens.

[iltos]

Originally Posted by Stoner

Interesting article at Wall Street Journal today:

[url]http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110010738[/u
This act does verge on the treasonous, imo.
Read the whole article, please.
(edit.....that link might be broken tomorrow as WSJ was offering it's pages for free today only)

i haven't read the article (and maybe can't, i guess ), but i heard this discussed briefly a few days back......

it's nuts

the discussion made it sound like she is dragging up a 90 year old atrocity and calling for its condemnation as some kind of 'feel good' political posturing

but nobody mentioned, nor did i consider, a more sinister agenda.....which unfortunately makes way too much sense to be dismissed out of hand

leaves me speechless (and that is saying something )

[iltos]

link still works

Back when Bill Clinton was President, Mr. Lantos took a different view. "This legislation at this moment in U.S.-Turkish relations is singularly counterproductive to our national interest," he said in September 2000, when there was much less at stake in the Middle East. According to Reuters, he added that the resolution would "humiliate and insult" Turkey and that the "unintended results would be devastating."

and NOW, mr. lantos.....?

what a maroon

i have been at odds with this administration about this "war" since it's invention
and treasonous is a word that should be used sparingly
but if the shoe fits

[WarC]

Bingo Stoner, you are dead on with this. I'm glad I'm not the only one besides Wacor here that has expressed outrage over this resolution. It couldn't come at a worse time!

An interesting parallel is Bushs' visit with the Dalai Lama today, which outraged China.

Now - the right of Tibet to exist independently is something most all Americans would support, same as the resolution issue of the Armenian genocide. That is self-evident. By themselves they are worthy causes.

But imagine if the Vietnam war was still going, and the Chinese let us use some of their airbases...That visit with the Dalai Lama would be utterly stupid! You just don't piss on your friends like that, even if you disagree, because it is harmful strategically.

That is whats going on with Turkey right now...And partly because of this resolution, we may not only see our airbases in Turkey shut down - we may see Turkish troops inside northern Iraq...

We are shooting ourselves in the foot, just as that foot gains traction!

[LANMaster]

She should be impeached.

Where's Poochee ....
coming in to defend her because she's a powerful woman and we all simply have some gender related envy?

[wacor]

When I first heard about this my reaction was based on it being stupid to piss off Turkey because we do not need them mucking things up in Northern Iraq.

I had not taken into account the bases..

My question is why Bush has not expressed more outrage. If I was in his shoes I would be using the bully pulpit to explain how this resolution needs to be squashed and a big apology given.

This really does border on treason..............

Treason

1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
2. A betrayal of trust or confidence.

[LANMaster]

fixed the spelling in the title, Jack.

Hope that you don't mind.

Mike

[Stoner]

Thanks...................damn keyboard

[Littlefield]

Good article Stoner .The bill is still in committee so it still might not pass.

Some key Dems are opposing it .
http://www.reuters.com/article/polit...46581120071016

[wacor]

Originally Posted by Littlefield

Good article Stoner .The bill is still in committee so it still might not pass.

Some key Dems are opposing it .
http://www.reuters.com/article/polit...46581120071016

In the article.........................

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, a Maryland Democrat, reacted angrily to suggestions that the resolution was part of a Democratic plan to pressure Bush on Iraq by sowing tensions with Turkey, saying there was "zero truth in that."

Yeah and there is zero truth in your patently transparent political BS.

Liars !!

At least dingbat Murtha has enough sense to judge how bad this is and not support it. You would think the morons who are for this would just maybe consult with the military before being so stupid. but then they really don't care about anything other than to make Iraq a further mess. their strategy was it would deteriorate and there is some evidence apparently it is not going their way so they stoop to this level of treachery.

[wacor]

Originally Posted by Littlefield

Good article Stoner .The bill is still in committee so it still might not pass.

Some key Dems are opposing it .
http://www.reuters.com/article/polit...46581120071016

The damage is done.

The turks were insulted. unless they need us there is no reason for them to stop from invading Iraq.

no putting the genie back in the bottle now

the blood will be on the hands of the Democratic leadership and Pelosi

The stupidest part is that it was the Ottoman empire which was responsible for the atrocities and not the current leadership of Turkey.

[linskyjack]

The Turks deserve every thing they get---When you sleep with dogs you get fleas----Are neo-cons now telling us that they want to play Real Politik and have forsworn the fake idealism of the last eight years. Give me a break.

[wacor]

Got nothing to do with the last 8 years. Get over it.

it is about controlling what is going on today.

the invasion of Turkey to wipe out the Kurds can not be in anybodys best interest.

This time the blood is on YOUR hands. Hope you enjoy that.

[linskyjack]

Of course it does---we invaded another country to bring them "freedom and liberty" abstractions that have absolutely nothing to do with the Middle East. Now you guys are finally coming to your senses and realize that the world isn't the black or white you like to paint it as.
By the way, Turkey will someday become an Islamo-Fascist state and there is nothing we can do about it.