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19-Oct-2007, 03:08 PM #1
Whiny children grow up to be conservatives
KID POLITICS | Whiny children, claims a new study, tend to grow up rigid and traditional. Future liberals, on the other hand ...
Mar. 19, 2006. 10:45 AM
KURT KLEINER
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Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative.

At least, he did if he was one of 95 kids from the Berkeley area that social scientists have been tracking for the last 20 years. The confident, resilient, self-reliant kids mostly grew up to be liberals.

The study from the Journal of Research Into Personality isn't going to make the UC Berkeley professor who published it any friends on the right. Similar conclusions a few years ago from another academic saw him excoriated on right-wing blogs, and even led to a Congressional investigation into his research funding.

But the new results are worth a look. In the 1960s Jack Block and his wife and fellow professor Jeanne Block (now deceased) began tracking more than 100 nursery school kids as part of a general study of personality. The kids' personalities were rated at the time by teachers and assistants who had known them for months. There's no reason to think political bias skewed the ratings — the investigators were not looking at political orientation back then. Even if they had been, it's unlikely that 3- and 4-year-olds would have had much idea about their political leanings.

A few decades later, Block followed up with more surveys, looking again at personality, and this time at politics, too. The whiny kids tended to grow up conservative, and turned into rigid young adults who hewed closely to traditional gender roles and were uncomfortable with ambiguity.

The confident kids turned out liberal and were still hanging loose, turning into bright, non-conforming adults with wide interests. The girls were still outgoing, but the young men tended to turn a little introspective.

Block admits in his paper that liberal Berkeley is not representative of the whole country. But within his sample, he says, the results hold. He reasons that insecure kids look for the reassurance provided by tradition and authority, and find it in conservative politics. The more confident kids are eager to explore alternatives to the way things are, and find liberal politics more congenial.

In a society that values self-confidence and out-goingness, it's a mostly flattering picture for liberals. It also runs contrary to the American stereotype of wimpy liberals and strong conservatives.

Of course, if you're studying the psychology of politics, you shouldn't be surprised to get a political reaction. Similar work by John T. Jost of Stanford and colleagues in 2003 drew a political backlash. The researchers reviewed 44 years worth of studies into the psychology of conservatism, and concluded that people who are dogmatic, fearful, intolerant of ambiguity and uncertainty, and who crave order and structure are more likely to gravitate to conservatism. Critics branded it the "conservatives are crazy" study and accused the authors of a political bias.

Jost welcomed the new study, saying it lends support to his conclusions. But Jeff Greenberg, a social psychologist at the University of Arizona who was critical of Jost's study, was less impressed.

`I found (the Jack Block study) to be biased, shoddy work, poor science at best'

Jeff Greenberg
University of Arizona

"I found it to be biased, shoddy work, poor science at best," he said of the Block study. He thinks insecure, defensive, rigid people can as easily gravitate to left-wing ideologies as right-wing ones. He suspects that in Communist China, those kinds of people would likely become fervid party members.

The results do raise some obvious questions. Are nursery school teachers in the conservative heartland cursed with classes filled with little proto-conservative whiners?

Or does an insecure little boy raised in Idaho or Alberta surrounded by conservatives turn instead to liberalism?

Or do the whiny kids grow up conservative along with the majority of their more confident peers, while only the kids with poor impulse control turn liberal?

Part of the answer is that personality is not the only factor that determines political leanings. For instance, there was a .27 correlation between being self-reliant in nursery school and being a liberal as an adult. Another way of saying it is that self-reliance predicts statistically about 7 per cent of the variance between kids who became liberal and those who became conservative. (If every self-reliant kid became a liberal and none became conservatives, it would predict 100 per cent of the variance). Seven per cent is fairly strong for social science, but it still leaves an awful lot of room for other influences, such as friends, family, education, personal experience and plain old intellect.

For conservatives whose feelings are still hurt, there is a more flattering way for them to look at the results. Even if they really did tend to be insecure complainers as kids, they might simply have recognized that the world is a scary, unfair place.

Their grown-up conclusion that the safest thing is to stick to tradition could well be the right one. As for their "rigidity," maybe that's just moral certainty.

The grown-up liberal men, on the other hand, with their introspection and recognition of complexity in the world, could be seen as self-indulgent and ineffectual.

Whether anyone's feelings are hurt or not, the work suggests that personality and emotions play a bigger role in our political leanings than we think. All of us, liberal or conservative, feel as though we've reached our political opinions by carefully weighing the evidence and exercising our best judgment. But it could be that all of that careful reasoning is just after-the-fact self-justification. What if personality forms our political outlook, with reason coming along behind, rationalizing after the fact?

It could be that whom we vote for has less to do with our judgments about tax policy or free trade or health care, and more with the personalities we've been stuck with since we were kids.

Kurt Kleiner is a Toronto-based freelance science writer.

Block's report from 2003: Researchers help define what makes a political conservative
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19-Oct-2007, 03:19 PM #2
WOW....so the battle may have started further back in our personal histories then we are aware of
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19-Oct-2007, 03:43 PM #3
I've seen this article before, I'm pretty sure lotusclat posted it.

Grade A character assasination piece, the classic tactic of the American left.

Morality cops and self righteous ideologues, yet ignorant of their own tendency to demonize or take advantage of others when it suits them. Breakin' every logical fallacy in the book, willy nilly - Aristotle who??

I'll never forget how, after 9/11, many of my peers came to me asking about the middle east, Afghanistan, Iraq, Saddam, our historical involvement there...

...So while I may concede the point that perhaps kids who grow up to be liberals "may" be on average more "well mannered" (some of the best people I've known were liberals) - it certainly doesn't guarentee that they will be more intelligent, or more perceptive, or more capable by its virtue.

Then again, that is always the problem with ad hominem...It shouldn't be avoided because its mean-spirited, but because it is a weak tactic.

Unfortunately, gossip and conjecture is next to fact as long as it feels good to the recipient!
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19-Oct-2007, 03:44 PM #4
the sad thing is that conservatives may have been born that way
and there is no hope they will ever think for themselves .
(if they ever think at all )
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the sad thing is that conservatives may have been born that way
and there is no hope they will ever think for themselves .
(if they ever think at all )
Thank you for proving my point, brother.
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I've seen this article before, I'm pretty sure lotusclat posted it.

Grade A character assasination piece, the classic tactic of the American left.

Morality cops and self righteous ideologues, yet ignorant of their own tendency to demonize or take advantage of others when it suits them. Breakin' every logical fallacy in the book, willy nilly - Aristotle who??

I'll never forget how, after 9/11, many of my peers came to me asking about the middle east, Afghanistan, Iraq, Saddam, our historical involvement there...

...So while I may concede the point that perhaps kids who grow up to be liberals "may" be on average more "well mannered" (some of the best people I've known were liberals) - it certainly doesn't guarentee that they will be more intelligent, or more perceptive, or more capable by its virtue.

Then again, that is always the problem with ad hominem...It shouldn't be avoided because its mean-spirited, but because it is a weak tactic.

Unfortunately, gossip and conjecture is next to fact as long as it feels good to the recipient!
lines 2 and 3 sound like conservatives just look at the swift boat ads ran in the last presdental election and look around this forum
conservatives tend to attack the person rather than the ideas when they dissagree

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19-Oct-2007, 03:51 PM #7
I don't understand your meaning. I never saw the swiftboat ads.
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19-Oct-2007, 03:52 PM #8
My cat whines alot, maybe she got it from her conservative owner
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I don't understand your meaning. I never saw the swiftboat ads.
how could you have missed the ads about Kerry's service in Vietnam
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Thank you for proving my point, brother.
If conservatives think at all?
Why is it such a good idea to allow the planet to be poisoned?
Why is it such a good idea to destroy mass markets by destroying the middle class?
How on earth did Bush ever get reelected?

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I always thought this was VERY funny

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lines 2 and 3 sound like conservatives just look at the swift boat ads ran in the last presdental election and look around this forum
conservatives tend to attack the person rather than the ideas when they dissagree
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If conservatives think at all?
Seriously, dude? You're going to sit there and criticize conservatives for making ad hominem attacks and not even an hour later you make an ad hominem attack?

So I guess since you're a hypocrite, all liberals are hypocrites, right?
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Seriously, dude? You're going to sit there and criticize conservatives for making ad hominem attacks and not even an hour later you make an ad hominem attack?

So I guess since you're a hypocrite, all liberals are hypocrites, right?
reread my posts in this thread and leave things in context
lets define hominem attack (from webpedia)
"An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim."

by this deffnition your last post in this thread is a hominem attack

I am not attacking WarC the only time I used the word "you" in this thread was in reply to his not understanding the term swiftboat

I am attacking the way of not thinking called conservative
NOW had things been left in context it would show that I have given 3 example where any thinking person would question wether or not conservatives think
and I also offered prof that conservatives would rather attack the person than the ideas they disagree with not only that but I pointed out where to find this prof there are numrous examples of hominem attacks from conservatives in this veary forum

this is a case where you have called a shovle a spade
in this post I am telling you that you are wrong
but like most conservatives I have no doubt that my disagerment with you will some how be considered a persnoal insult

NOW will you please show me an example that will indacate that conservatives realy do think

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Kind of makes sense. Although most conservatives praise self-reliance, most of them that I have met are lock and stock followers who want order in a disorderly universe. The fact that any rational human being continues to support the Monkey Man just proves the point. They aren't rational---mere knee-jerk automatons following the directions of "authority."
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Kind of makes sense. Although most conservatives praise self-reliance, most of them that I have met are lock and stock followers who want order in a disorderly universe. The fact that any rational human being continues to support the Monkey Man just proves the point. They aren't rational---mere knee-jerk automatons following the directions of "authority."
what I can't understand even a little bit is how anybody with the slightest idea of what the republicans are up to and who isn't in the upper 5% income bracket could ever support the republicans
it's like they want to see there children live in a poisoned world with no hope of ever getting out of poverty and in a police state
How could anyone want to go where the republicans are tacking us

even some people in the upper 5% bracket are dropping there support for the republicans
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