[Paquadez]

Recently, I have re-read Clancy's early novel, the Sum of All Fears.

For those unfamiliar with the book, it tells the story of how anti-American feeling motivates Islamic terrorists in the Middle East to plant a nuclear device outside a huge football stadium when the NFL final is taking place.

An idiot president, misguided by a hawkish idiotic adviser almosts trips a global nuclear holocaust.

Of course, it's only a novel.

It could never happen.

An idiot in the White House.

Advised by an idiotic hawkish aid.

Islamic middle eastern terrorists motivated by huge anti-American sentiments.

No...................................it could never ever happen.

Could it?

Sleep well!

[silentmage]

i have yet to bring myself to read any clancy (i'm more of a ludlum fan) but they should stay away from football. go for hockey, no one watches that anyway

[SlackAli]

Hi Paq

Also reminiscent of Thomas Harris's first book, Black Sunday, which involved arab terrorists and the Super Bowl. Can't remember if the President is an idiot in the book, although it was published in 1975 when I believe it was Gerald Ford......

The excellent (I thought) first series of Sleeper Cell also portrayed an Islamic plot against a sports stadium. Nothing like giving the loons ideas I suppose

[poochee]

Originally Posted by Paquadez

Recently, I have re-read Clancy's early novel, the Sum of All Fears.

For those unfamiliar with the book, it tells the story of how anti-American feeling motivates Islamic terrorists in the Middle East to plant a nuclear device outside a huge football stadium when the NFL final is taking place.

An idiot president, misguided by a hawkish idiotic adviser almosts trips a global nuclear holocaust.

Of course, it's only a novel.

It could never happen.

An idiot in the White House.

Advised by an idiotic hawkish aid.

Islamic middle eastern terrorists motivated by huge anti-American sentiments.

No...................................it could never ever happen.

Could it?

Sleep well!

[wacor]

Sigh, another blame it on the US

Those nasty ole Islamic nutbags just want to be left alone.

They are innocents and should be given the benefit of the doubt that it is ok for them to be radical and dare I say possess a nuclear device.

I don't think we are stirring up anything that is not there to begin with.

[ChrisJones]

Originally Posted by Paquadez

Recently, I have re-read Clancy's early novel, the Sum of All Fears.

For those unfamiliar with the book, it tells the story of how anti-American feeling motivates Islamic terrorists in the Middle East to plant a nuclear device outside a huge football stadium when the NFL final is taking place.

An idiot president, misguided by a hawkish idiotic adviser almosts trips a global nuclear holocaust.

Of course, it's only a novel.

It could never happen.

An idiot in the White House.

Advised by an idiotic hawkish aid.

Islamic middle eastern terrorists motivated by huge anti-American sentiments.

No...................................it could never ever happen.

Could it?

Sleep well!

Have you seen the film adaptation? It stars Ben Afleck though don't let that put you off, it's one of his "better" (I use that term loosely!!) films. It's actually quite good, and remains more or less faithful to the book.

I'd be more than happy to lend you the DVD via post if you're interested in seeing it.

Chris.

[ChrisJones]

Originally Posted by wacor

Sigh, another blame it on the US

Those nasty ole Islamic nutbags just want to be left alone.

They are innocents and should be given the benefit of the doubt that it is ok for them to be radical and dare I say possess a nuclear device.

I don't think we are stirring up anything that is not there to begin with.

While true there was always that fringe of nutjobs in the Muslim world that hated the "decadent" west, can you honestly say the situation has improved since Bush's little Iraq adventure went tits up?

[wacor]

Originally Posted by ChrisJones

While true there was always that fringe of nutjobs in the Muslim world that hated the "decadent" west, can you honestly say the situation has improved since Bush's little Iraq adventure went tits up?

No I can't say it has improved.

Can you say that Clinton's inaction improved anything during his years??

Things have been brewing for a long time but it seems the attacks escalated during the Clinton years. IMO

[WarC]

Iraq and Afghanistan are the end of the beginning, not the beginning of the end. To quote Churchill.

Speaking of Churchill, I bet the invasion of Normandy really pissed off a few fascists, too.

[Paquadez]

Originally Posted by wacor

Sigh, another blame it on the US

Those nasty ole Islamic nutbags just want to be left alone.

They are innocents and should be given the benefit of the doubt that it is ok for them to be radical and dare I say possess a nuclear device.

I don't think we are stirring up anything that is not there to begin with.

Wacor:

Why do you think the USA was named the Great Satan by first of all the Iranians and thereafter by most ME Arabs?

You are falling into the dangerous trap of thinking that this angst started quite recently.

It didn't.

It probably started around the early 50s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Mossadegh

OK so some of the article is biased: what isn't?

That said, it is a fact that the US in particular closely supported aided and assisted the Shah of Persia and that his secret police SAVAK were amongst the most inhumane ba$tards ever to walk this earth.

It is also a fact that American consipicuous consumption and habits corrupted many of the youth, leading to an upsurge of fundamentalism.

Much of the contemporaneous problem goes back to the CIA - once again! - and the cowboy nature of Wild Bill Donnovan when he segued the OSS into the early CIA with Alan Dulles et al. This escalated through the 60s and 70s and during the Reagan years, as we now know, further arrogant operations were continued.

Unfortunately, we all now live in an age when the USA cannot mount up the cavalry, kick the fuzzies *** and return home safe behind the walls of the fort, bugles playing and penants fluttering.

The present sabre rattling against Iran, if it persists, will create global instability, collapse of the Western financial and economic system and eventually, destroy the US as a cogent nation state.

And all for a few more billions for the Carlyle Group!

And BTW: Clancy, last time I looked is a US Citizen; he is also very friendly with many senior pentagon staffers, Navy officers and senior USAF brass: where else do you think he gets his information from?

[SlackAli]

Originally Posted by WarC

Iraq and Afghanistan are the end of the beginning, not the beginning of the end. To quote Churchill.

Speaking of Churchill, I bet the invasion of Normandy really pissed off a few fascists, too.

Churchill also said "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." Although he was probably drunk at the time

[Littlefield]

Originally Posted by WarC

Iraq and Afghanistan are the end of the beginning, not the beginning of the end. To quote Churchill.

Speaking of Churchill, I bet the invasion of Normandy really pissed off a few fascists, too.

The Wahabi sect, of Islam would be dangerous and fanatical Churchill said in the 1920's.

[TooBad]

Originally Posted by Paquadez

Wacor:

Why do you think the USA was named the Great Satan by first of all the Iranians and thereafter by most ME Arabs?

You are falling into the dangerous trap of thinking that this angst started quite recently.

It didn't.

It probably started around the early 50s.

No Paq, it started about 700 years ago when a pervert created a political system based on a cult of devil worship disguised as a religion and choose the sword as the prefered method of conversion. Calling the US the "Great Satan" is only the second greatest feat of the devil, the first being convincing looney secularists that he didn't exist.

[ChrisJones]

Originally Posted by TooBad

No Paq, it started about 700 years ago when a pervert created a political system based on a cult of devil worship disguised as a religion and choose the sword as the prefered method of conversion. Calling the US the "Great Satan" is only the second greatest feat of the devil, the first being convincing looney secularists that he didn't exist.

There are so many fallacies here, I don't even know where to begin.

You do realise that Christianity, Judaism and Islam are basically the same religion and all share a great many common facets?

I assume by "pervert" you are refering to "Mohamed"?

[Paquadez]

Originally Posted by TooBad

No Paq, it started about 700 years ago when a pervert created a political system based on a cult of devil worship disguised as a religion and choose the sword as the prefered method of conversion. Calling the US the "Great Satan" is only the second greatest feat of the devil, the first being convincing looney secularists that he didn't exist.

Have you been hanging out with Wino, 2X Bad? What's in his current stash?

At least Wino makes sense when he posts!