[sockerdudex]

If you have studied the past of many religions, especially christianity, you should know that the church has been involved in many money making scams, created to gain personal wealth even if it goes against the principles of the religion itself. Not so much today, but in the past, the beloved religion Christianity used its power to manipulate the minds of all its followers to pay money, and other sinister acts such as the selling of indulgences. I'm pretty sure, that the founders of the religion did not have intention of using their religion to take money from their followers for their own good. The church even said at sometimes it had more authority than the bible, most basically saying it was more powerful than the religion it was trying to teach. That fact that a church had ANY power in past times is astounding. How could a fictional belief be of one to hold any power in a way such as the power to kill people because of committing heresy. The church tried so hard in those times to kill and quiet anyone who was brave enough to speak out against the Churches absurdity. They were constantly trying to cover up everything to keep it the way it was, keep the money flowing. The church liked having tons of money keep coming in from their followers not only so the officials of the church could live in luxury but especially the pope. In those times, people paid to keep themselves out of "hell" so the money could be spent on the popes new furniture. The pope is a figure of such a nonsense belief and yet he somehow gets more power than others in today's society. He is ruler of nothing. Back in the day the church, made grouops to specifically stop other religions and trick people into joining christianity (Council of trent, jesuits). Back when people weren't as educated and didn't have the explanation for things available today, the church tricked them into joining the religion, believing the churches teachings, and giving the church money. In fact, one of the Holy Roman Emperors officially declared the church interpretation of the bible is final, therefore being able to do anything they want with their followers, which they did. Today, more and more people, as we get smarter are realizing the sad truth that god is a completely fictional character. Let's be real there is no god, heaven, or hell, and people are getting smarter, realizing the world isn't flat, global warming is real (that's for another debate), and finally, hopefully accepting that their religion is complete bogus. God is the center the of most religion, and keeping it real, there is no god, and the places of worship are desperate to keep people in their religions. Without a god, religion is not real. Don't get me wrong, i DEFIANTLY do like some of the moral of some religions and most certainly like some of today's teachings and communities. Today, the scams really aren't as imminent as they were in the past, which is good. Maybe do to the causes, people have realized the church is entitled to no power in the real world. Less and less people are religious today, or at least deeply religious not jus using their religion as a show name. This is because we aren't falling for any of their nonsense and starting to disapprove of common ideas like the idea of a "god". Im pretty sure you don't truly beleive in god right now, and if you honestly do, god save you. Almost every major religion was built around the idea of god. Now since we've realized or at least admitted there is no, there is no foundation. I think some of the teaching and ideas built around the religion are understandable but the center is disproved causing everything else to not be real. I really can understand and learn to like many of the church morals and philosophies. But with those thinkings centered around a scam, i cannot. Everything about religion is a conspiracy that many have fallen victim to and it is sad to see what an early age of immature minds and the common belief can do to people. Not saying christians or any people that practice religion are bad or anything just saying they are a little stubborn and arrogant if they still do truly practice the religion they follow.

some other of my concerns being the foundation and center of the religions being a fiction figure isn't a good thing And like i said, church today wastes your time because of what your great ancestors fell victim to. Today, people go to church, i hate to say it, but i went to church a couple times, and this is all i heard "blah blah worship god, god is soo great, we bow down to god, god is almighty, i am HONORED to praise god, i a SOO THANKFUL that good has given me the prvilige of worshipping him, i love god, god is the best, i am grateful to be here loving god, god will save me, god is the best thing that ever happened tome" now i know this isn't what the church is about but to me hearing this is soo discouraging that people waste their time to stop and be honored to PRAISE a non-existent figure. Its astounding that people actaully do beleive in this and waste their precious time to do this for "god"

I truly do respect of some the religion's philosophies. But the main foundation of religion is the idea of god. I do like some parts of some religions, but for the most part i think church is a complete waste of time. Yes, the church doesn't scam you money anymore, but they do take your time. Now depending on what religions you focus on, the offense could be bad up to barely anything. My problems is that such great philosophies are built on such a phony foundational idea od god/heaven and all that mythical stuff. If a religion didn't have a god and lets just say, their philosophy was to be nice to everyone, it wouldn't be bad at all. But mos religions aren't like that. So when i take about religions i talk about 99% of the religions, not the very few that are reasonable.

[Mulderator]

Dude--stop starting so many threads or Mulder is going to kick you're arse--GOT IT!

[TRS-80 vet]

Originally Posted by Mulderator

Dude--stop starting so many threads or Mulder is going to kick you're arse--GOT IT!

Talk about a band-width band-it! mulder-><-soccer

[NinjaAsssasin]

Originally Posted by sockerdudex

If you have studied the past of many religions, especially christianity, you should know that the church has been involved in many money making scams, created to gain personal wealth even if it goes against the principles of the religion itself. Not so much today, but in the past, the beloved religion Christianity used its power to manipulate the minds of all its followers to pay money, and other sinister acts such as the selling of indulgences. I'm pretty sure, that the founders of the religion did not have intention of using their religion to take money from their followers for their own good. The church even said at sometimes it had more authority than the bible, most basically saying it was more powerful than the religion it was trying to teach. That fact that a church had ANY power in past times is astounding. How could a fictional belief be of one to hold any power in a way such as the power to kill people because of committing heresy. The church tried so hard in those times to kill and quiet anyone who was brave enough to speak out against the Churches absurdity. They were constantly trying to cover up everything to keep it the way it was, keep the money flowing. The church liked having tons of money keep coming in from their followers not only so the officials of the church could live in luxury but especially the pope. In those times, people paid to keep themselves out of "hell" so the money could be spent on the popes new furniture. The pope is a figure of such a nonsense belief and yet he somehow gets more power than others in today's society. He is ruler of nothing. Back in the day the church, made grouops to specifically stop other religions and trick people into joining christianity (Council of trent, jesuits). Back when people weren't as educated and didn't have the explanation for things available today, the church tricked them into joining the religion, believing the churches teachings, and giving the church money. In fact, one of the Holy Roman Emperors officially declared the church interpretation of the bible is final, therefore being able to do anything they want with their followers, which they did. Today, more and more people, as we get smarter are realizing the sad truth that god is a completely fictional character. Let's be real there is no god, heaven, or hell, and people are getting smarter, realizing the world isn't flat, global warming is real (that's for another debate), and finally, hopefully accepting that their religion is complete bogus. God is the center the of most religion, and keeping it real, there is no god, and the places of worship are desperate to keep people in their religions. Without a god, religion is not real. Don't get me wrong, i DEFIANTLY do like some of the moral of some religions and most certainly like some of today's teachings and communities. Today, the scams really aren't as imminent as they were in the past, which is good. Maybe do to the causes, people have realized the church is entitled to no power in the real world. Less and less people are religious today, or at least deeply religious not jus using their religion as a show name. This is because we aren't falling for any of their nonsense and starting to disapprove of common ideas like the idea of a "god". Im pretty sure you don't truly beleive in god right now, and if you honestly do, god save you. Almost every major religion was built around the idea of god. Now since we've realized or at least admitted there is no, there is no foundation. I think some of the teaching and ideas built around the religion are understandable but the center is disproved causing everything else to not be real. I really can understand and learn to like many of the church morals and philosophies. But with those thinkings centered around a scam, i cannot. Everything about religion is a conspiracy that many have fallen victim to and it is sad to see what an early age of immature minds and the common belief can do to people. Not saying christians or any people that practice religion are bad or anything just saying they are a little stubborn and arrogant if they still do truly practice the religion they follow.

some other of my concerns being the foundation and center of the religions being a fiction figure isn't a good thing And like i said, church today wastes your time because of what your great ancestors fell victim to. Today, people go to church, i hate to say it, but i went to church a couple times, and this is all i heard "blah blah worship god, god is soo great, we bow down to god, god is almighty, i am HONORED to praise god, i a SOO THANKFUL that good has given me the prvilige of worshipping him, i love god, god is the best, i am grateful to be here loving god, god will save me, god is the best thing that ever happened tome" now i know this isn't what the church is about but to me hearing this is soo discouraging that people waste their time to stop and be honored to PRAISE a non-existent figure. Its astounding that people actaully do beleive in this and waste their precious time to do this for "god"

I truly do respect of some the religion's philosophies. But the main foundation of religion is the idea of god. I do like some parts of some religions, but for the most part i think church is a complete waste of time. Yes, the church doesn't scam you money anymore, but they do take your time. Now depending on what religions you focus on, the offense could be bad up to barely anything. My problems is that such great philosophies are built on such a phony foundational idea od god/heaven and all that mythical stuff. If a religion didn't have a god and lets just say, their philosophy was to be nice to everyone, it wouldn't be bad at all. But mos religions aren't like that. So when i take about religions i talk about 99% of the religions, not the very few that are reasonable.

Hey this is a serious question and im sure ull see the point, right now who do u love the most?

Religion is opium of the masses.It makes the human animal to turn to the church instead of turning on each other.It calms him because it gives him hope that he will live forever,regardless of what happens,and not disappear to oblivion.

[TRS-80 vet]

Originally Posted by ODIN 0ERO

Religion is opium of the masses.It makes the human animal to turn to the church instead of turning on each other.It calms him because it gives him hope that he will live forever,regardless of what happens,and not disappear to oblivion.

Nifty moniker... Are you lower income? zero dinero?

[ekim68]

Originally Posted by ODIN 0ERO

Religion is opium of the masses.It makes the human animal to turn to the church instead of turning on each other.It calms him because it gives him hope that he will live forever,regardless of what happens,and not disappear to oblivion.

In a way you're right...And, for a lot of people it's a good and fulfilling part of their lives...
We all need some kind of a reason to go forward..

Some scientists claim that humans are instinctively programmed to believe in the supernatural[god] or so i believe.They also claim that there is a part of the human brain that is programmed to believe in the supernatural.

[ekim68]

Well there's been a long history in beliefs of God, or Gods....Remember the Greek names for gods way back when...And the word 'supernatural' could apply to a number of incidences, i.e. earthquakes, storms, etc., that might be attributed to certain god, or gods..So, maybe, humans are instinctively programmed to believe..

When we turn to religion we turn to the past and stand still because we have no direction because we cannot see a direction.

When we turn to science we turn toward the future and move toward the future because we have a direction and we can see the direction.

When we loose ourselves in religion we loose ourselves in darkness.Stumbling blindly.

The key lies in balance.Not discarding religion or science and at the same time not disturbing the balance by shifting ourselves to either side completely.

The balance is the key to our survival and happiness.

[NinjaAsssasin]

Originally Posted by sockerdudex

If you have studied the past of many religions, especially christianity, you should know that the church has been involved in many money making scams, created to gain personal wealth even if it goes against the principles of the religion itself. Not so much today, but in the past, the beloved religion Christianity used its power to manipulate the minds of all its followers to pay money, and other sinister acts such as the selling of indulgences. I'm pretty sure, that the founders of the religion did not have intention of using their religion to take money from their followers for their own good. The church even said at sometimes it had more authority than the bible, most basically saying it was more powerful than the religion it was trying to teach. That fact that a church had ANY power in past times is astounding. How could a fictional belief be of one to hold any power in a way such as the power to kill people because of committing heresy. The church tried so hard in those times to kill and quiet anyone who was brave enough to speak out against the Churches absurdity. They were constantly trying to cover up everything to keep it the way it was, keep the money flowing. The church liked having tons of money keep coming in from their followers not only so the officials of the church could live in luxury but especially the pope. In those times, people paid to keep themselves out of "hell" so the money could be spent on the popes new furniture. The pope is a figure of such a nonsense belief and yet he somehow gets more power than others in today's society. He is ruler of nothing. Back in the day the church, made grouops to specifically stop other religions and trick people into joining christianity (Council of trent, jesuits). Back when people weren't as educated and didn't have the explanation for things available today, the church tricked them into joining the religion, believing the churches teachings, and giving the church money. In fact, one of the Holy Roman Emperors officially declared the church interpretation of the bible is final, therefore being able to do anything they want with their followers, which they did. Today, more and more people, as we get smarter are realizing the sad truth that god is a completely fictional character. Let's be real there is no god, heaven, or hell, and people are getting smarter, realizing the world isn't flat, global warming is real (that's for another debate), and finally, hopefully accepting that their religion is complete bogus. God is the center the of most religion, and keeping it real, there is no god, and the places of worship are desperate to keep people in their religions. Without a god, religion is not real. Don't get me wrong, i DEFIANTLY do like some of the moral of some religions and most certainly like some of today's teachings and communities. Today, the scams really aren't as imminent as they were in the past, which is good. Maybe do to the causes, people have realized the church is entitled to no power in the real world. Less and less people are religious today, or at least deeply religious not jus using their religion as a show name. This is because we aren't falling for any of their nonsense and starting to disapprove of common ideas like the idea of a "god". Im pretty sure you don't truly beleive in god right now, and if you honestly do, god save you. Almost every major religion was built around the idea of god. Now since we've realized or at least admitted there is no, there is no foundation. I think some of the teaching and ideas built around the religion are understandable but the center is disproved causing everything else to not be real. I really can understand and learn to like many of the church morals and philosophies. But with those thinkings centered around a scam, i cannot. Everything about religion is a conspiracy that many have fallen victim to and it is sad to see what an early age of immature minds and the common belief can do to people. Not saying christians or any people that practice religion are bad or anything just saying they are a little stubborn and arrogant if they still do truly practice the religion they follow.

some other of my concerns being the foundation and center of the religions being a fiction figure isn't a good thing And like i said, church today wastes your time because of what your great ancestors fell victim to. Today, people go to church, i hate to say it, but i went to church a couple times, and this is all i heard "blah blah worship god, god is soo great, we bow down to god, god is almighty, i am HONORED to praise god, i a SOO THANKFUL that good has given me the prvilige of worshipping him, i love god, god is the best, i am grateful to be here loving god, god will save me, god is the best thing that ever happened tome" now i know this isn't what the church is about but to me hearing this is soo discouraging that people waste their time to stop and be honored to PRAISE a non-existent figure. Its astounding that people actaully do beleive in this and waste their precious time to do this for "god"

I truly do respect of some the religion's philosophies. But the main foundation of religion is the idea of god. I do like some parts of some religions, but for the most part i think church is a complete waste of time. Yes, the church doesn't scam you money anymore, but they do take your time. Now depending on what religions you focus on, the offense could be bad up to barely anything. My problems is that such great philosophies are built on such a phony foundational idea od god/heaven and all that mythical stuff. If a religion didn't have a god and lets just say, their philosophy was to be nice to everyone, it wouldn't be bad at all. But mos religions aren't like that. So when i take about religions i talk about 99% of the religions, not the very few that are reasonable.

So correct me if im wrong but what he is saying theres no scientific way to prove there is a God therefore he does not exist so its a waste of time right?

By the same philosophy theres also no love for their is no scientific way of proving it right?

Just because we do not believe in it does not mean it isnt true and just because we do believe in it also does does not mean it is true.

We only have our primitive 3 dimensional science.We should not ask questions we are not yet read to answer and will not be ready for hundreds of years.

One cannot prove a 12 dimensional being with a 3 dimensional science if there is one.

Who knows.Perhaps god is not "out there" but "in here".Inside us.We could be looking in the wrong place.

[ekim68]

Originally Posted by NinjaAsssasin

So correct me if im wrong but what he is saying theres no way to prove there is a God therefore he does not exist so its a waste of time right?

By the same philosophy theres also no love for their is no scientific way of proving it right?

Hmmm. Science proving love, interesting...

[NinjaAsssasin]

Originally Posted by ODIN 0ERO

Just because we do not believe in it does not mean it isnt true and just because we do believe in it also does does not mean it is true.

We only have our primitive 3 dimensional science.We should not ask questions we are not yet read to answer and will not be ready for hundreds of years.

One cannot prove a 12 dimensional being with a 3 dimensional science if there is one.

Who knows.Perhaps god is not "out there" but "in here".Inside us.We could be looking in the wrong place.

science is just a best guess or so i heard and i agree.

Religion itself is not flawed.It is man who is flawed.

It is the immorality,and stupidity of man that corrupts religion and not the religion itself that does it.

Murder,greed,pedophilia,hypocrisy.All products of a unsufficiently evolved human mind.

Religion does not corrupt man.Man corrupts religion.