[Broly]

Holly Smokes Batman!!

The US is building a 700 Million Dollar embassy in Baghdad. WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THIS FOR? We must be planning to stay. I heard about this last Wed. on CNN but I try to find a link to it now and only old stuff shows up. Here is wut I got.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/pol...ef=videosearch

700 million for fortress in Baghdad, 0 for American schools

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[bassetman]

Originally Posted by Broly

Holly Smokes Batman!!

The US is building a 700 Million Dollar embassy in Baghdad. WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THIS FOR? We must be planning to stay. I heard about this last Wed. on CNN but I try to find a link to it now and only old stuff shows up. Here is wut I got.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/pol...ef=videosearch

700 million for fortress in Baghdad, 0 for American schools

Broly Out

[linskyjack]

And they complain about taxes? Give me a break.

[iltos]

Originally Posted by Broly

Holly Smokes Batman!!

The US is building a 700 Million Dollar embassy in Baghdad. WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THIS FOR? We must be planning to stay. I heard about this last Wed. on CNN but I try to find a link to it now and only old stuff shows up. Here is wut I got.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/pol...ef=videosearch

700 million for fortress in Baghdad, 0 for American schools

Broly Out

so my first thought was "who's building it?"

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/i...-embassy_x.htm
The lead contractor on the embassy project is a Kuwaiti firm, First Kuwaiti Trading & Contracting, Higgins said. There are also five U.S. subcontractors, but he would not name them for security reasons.
The Senate report recommended that First Kuwaiti consider hiring more Iraqis, if they can be properly screened.

then i got to thinking about one of the listener's comments (paraphrased) "the embassy show the iraqi people that americans can build infrastructure when it suits their needs"

"We are confident the embassy will be completed according to schedule (by June 2007) and on budget," said Justin Higgins, a State Department spokesman.

The same cannot be said for major projects serving Iraqis outside the Green Zone, the Senate report said. Many — including health clinics, water-treatment facilities and electrical plants — have had to be scaled back or in some cases eliminated because of the rising costs of securing worksites and workers.

guess that explains the need for a self-contained compound....is this what was meant by bringing democracy to iraq?

we should charge admission

[Fidelista]

Its not a embassy in the normal sense .
Normally a embassy is located in a large city , with easy access for business, a place for various exchanges, cultural , and well , too many to list .
This is a FORTRESS , a fort with 15' thick blastwalls , heavy defended.
It will house over a thousand soldiers .
This is what is needed in Iraq . As long as we maintain a military presence, there will be an effort to remove us . A fort is best we can do . >f

[linskyjack]

Fort Apache---------What a boondoggle.

[Fidelista]

How this fort /bunker can operate as a embassy , is beyond me .
It is isolated --insulated , from the the people and nation where it sits .
It will be a American world , completely apart from the country and it people .
It is big , 104 acres.
I was wrong about security , it appears that it may wind up with thousands of soldiers --marines . About half the occupants .
They will be inside the bunker , in their own little world . >f
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BAGHDAD, Iraq - The fortress-like compound rising beside the Tigris River here will be the largest of its kind in the world, the size of Vatican City, with the population of a small town, its own defense force, self-contained power and water, and a precarious perch at the heart of Iraq’s turbulent future.

The designs aren’t publicly available, but the Senate report makes clear it will be a self-sufficient and “hardened” domain, to function in the midst of Baghdad power outages, water shortages and continuing turmoil.

5,500 employees at the embassy
The 5,500 Americans and Iraqis working at the embassy, almost half listed as security, are far more numerous than at any other U.S. mission worldwide. They rarely venture out into the “Red Zone,” that is, violence-torn Iraq.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12319798/

[iltos]

Originally Posted by Fidelista

How this fort /bunker can operate as a embassy , is beyond me .
It is isolated --insulated , from the the people and nation where it sits .
It will be a American world , completely apart from the country and it people .
It is big , 104 acres.
I was wrong about security , it appears that it may wind up with thousands of soldiers --marines . About half the occupants .
They will be inside the bunker , in their own little world . >f

like i said...we should charge admission to see american democracy....free on tuesdays if you make the pilgrimage from outside the greenzone.

'cept you have to go in naked.

[Fidelista]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

Fort Apache---------What a boondoggle.

I think so .
Over One Billion dollars when completed , or so I read .
Then , we get to defend ----forever .
It will be sore thumb , a symbol of U.S. occupation and domination --thus a target.
You are right every once in while LJ , esp on this subject.
>f

[Broly]

The tax payers are paying for this? My tax dollars are going to castles in Iraq when we got poverty on our streets. Schools don't have the books they need to teach. I have to send supplies to school with my kids; boxes of pencils, markers, crayons, all that stuff that my tax dollars alredy should be paying for. The supplies that I send get divided among all the kids in the class. Teachers have to buy supplies for their classes. But our government has the Ballzzz to appropriate 700 million dollars for the building of a freaking castle in Baghdad. George freaking Bush and his followers don't give a freak about America. Only World Domination. They lied to us to get our support for going to Iraq. Now that we r there, they do wut ever the heck they want to do. Spend money like it's growing in the wild, ALL FOR IRAQ!!!!! BUSH ISN'T A FREAKING AMERICAN. HE ISN'T EVEN HUMAN.

I'm madder than a chicken in a poultry factory.!!!!!!

Broly Out

[Fidelista]

Originally Posted by Broly

The tax payers are paying for this? My tax dollars are going to castles in Iraq when we got poverty on our streets. Schools don't have the books they need to teach. I have to send supplies to school with my kids; boxes of pencils, markers, crayons, all that stuff that my tax dollars alredy should be paying for. The supplies that I send get divided among all the kids in the class. Teachers have to buy supplies for their classes. But our government has the Ballzzz to appropriate 700 million dollars for the building of a freaking castle in Baghdad. George freaking Bush and his followers don't give a freak about America. Only World Domination. They lied to us to get our support for going to Iraq. Now that we r there, they do wut ever the heck they want to do. Spend money like it's growing in the wild, ALL FOR IRAQ!!!!! BUSH ISN'T A FREAKING AMERICAN. HE ISN'T EVEN HUMAN.

I'm madder than a chicken in a poultry factory.!!!!!!

Broly Out

Thats the problem with understanding what we are about . It pisses us off.
The thing is , we need to see ourselves if we are ever to change things .
>f

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by Broly

The tax payers are paying for this? My tax dollars are going to castles in Iraq when we got poverty on our streets.

First thing you need to do is take an economics class. The amount of taxes levied does not correlate to the level of poverty in the streets, except in the extreme--so for example if tax rates were 90%, you'd have massive poverty in the streets (this would actually be very close to if not communism--which as you know failed miserably--or perhaps you don't know). And some degree of poverty in the streets will always exist no matter what for reason I don't feel like going through--a course is sociology or psychology would help you to understand.

[TRS-80 vet]

Originally Posted by Mulderator

First thing you need to do is take an economics class. The amount of taxes levied does not correlate to the level of poverty in the streets, except in the extreme--so for example if tax rates were 90%, you'd have massive poverty in the streets (this would actually be very close to if not communism--which as you know failed miserably--or perhaps you don't know). And some degree of poverty in the streets will always exist no matter what for reason I don't feel like going through--a course is sociology or psychology would help you to understand.

I think communism failed because there's no accountability.

We here have a modicum of accountability. I'm sure those who govern us don't like it.

[Broly]

Originally Posted by Mulderator

First thing you need to do is take an economics class. The amount of taxes levied does not correlate to the level of poverty in the streets, except in the extreme--so for example if tax rates were 90%, you'd have massive poverty in the streets (this would actually be very close to if not communism--which as you know failed miserably--or perhaps you don't know). And some degree of poverty in the streets will always exist no matter what for reason I don't feel like going through--a course is sociology or psychology would help you to understand.

I cannot sit here and say that I know as much about economics as somebody like "u". I'm just a little guy. But I can say this, " If you agree with this spending spree that the US has been on in Iraq, plus this 700 million dollar ball and chain in Iraq; if u think that this is wut the US needs to protect itself from terrorism or whatever. If u believe that this money spent to build this global base in Iraq, is well spent and not better served improving our schools, poverty, crime, then u sir/maam r also not American and not human. I try not to get into a name calling, highschoolish squable on this forum but it sounds like ure defending everything that's gone wrong about this country. Maybe u have never seen wuts its like to live from paycheck to paycheck, but I see it every day of my life. And I don't care who knows. I work hard for my family and will continue to until the day that I die. But u or nobody else is going to tell me that my lack of knowledege of economics or anything else but sure greed for power and lack of respect for everything that this Nation is built upon, is basis for this crap going on in the US at the hand of Bush and U if u support him.

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[TRS-80 vet]

Originally Posted by Broly

... going on in the US at the hand of Bush ...

Broly OUT

Sorry there, young fella'...

The oval office doesn't make decisions. The oval office puts ink on the dotted line.