[Broly]

Hi Dudes and Dudettes,

I as some of u know am a tahdaahhhh black man. yes it's true. I want to know from both sides Left and Right, why Blacks are against Republicans and why Republicans seem to ignore blacks. Just a question. please don't get mad and insult me. I'm just asking.

[Broly]

Trekguy I made improvements!!!!!!!

[sglv]

Originally Posted by Broly

Hi Dudes and Dudettes,

I as some of u know am a tahdaahhhh black man. yes it's true. I want to know from both sides Left and Right, why Blacks are against Republicans and why Republicans seem to ignore blacks. Just a question. please don't get mad and insult me. I'm just asking.

They don't. You ignore us. Or I thought you did. Check out Coalition for a Conservative Majority (Chairman = black man) http://www.ccmajority.com/chairman/

Abraham Lincoln, Republican; vote for women supported by Republicans; Civil Liberties
Act, Republicans pushed it through. Martin Luther King, yep, Republican.

However, when MLK was in jail, Nixon and Kennedy both passed on intervening. It was a young attorney on Kennedy's staff that said, hey, 5 minutes of your time could make a world of difference. He took the time out to call Martin Luther King's wife, was on the phone for 2 minutes, the black vote which was 50/50 at the time, switched to 60/40.

If you don't believe me, contact this man Ted Blackwell. Grill him, drill him. You probably won't like the response you receive because it is against everything you've been taught. You'll be forced to actually research it. To validate what he has to say. Again, you won't like the answers.

Sorry, but Republicans have always supported diversity, free speech, and, whether you like it or not, inclusiveness. This current party we have in power is NOT what Republicans are about. The hijacking by the conservative right, no, not Republican. That is a dictatorship, not a democracy and I have no idea why they have any say. I'm so fed up with the 10% extremists trying to hijack the 90% who have no idea what in the world they are talking about. Lower taxes, less government, etc., blah, blah.

[sglv]

Originally Posted by Broly

Hi Dudes and Dudettes,

I as some of u know am a tahdaahhhh black man. yes it's true. I want to know from both sides Left and Right, why Blacks are against Republicans and why Republicans seem to ignore blacks. Just a question. please don't get mad and insult me. I'm just asking.

Broly, I don't know where you live, but I could give you the name of several black Republicans in Las Vegas who are community leaders. Not just people who are on the sidelines, but leaders. They're NOT ignored. They know issues far better than I do.

Republicans are about personal responsibility. If you're being ignored, it's because you're not making yourself heard. If you are a democrat, why should Republicans even hear what you have to say? Why would they care? If you believe in Republican values, then SHOUT it loud and clear and tell your Republican Party that you have a message and you are the person to deliver it. If they ignore you, tell them to hide in their holes, because you are going to get your message out. Tell them to step out of the 16th century and into the 21st Century.

If you ever come to Vegas, give me a heads up. I'll hook you up with a few "black" republican leaders who don't accept for an answer. They're awesome and they're right in more ways than just being right (as in Republican).

[trekguy]

Originally Posted by Broly

Trekguy I made improvements!!!!!!!

[TooBad]

Originally Posted by Broly

Hi Dudes and Dudettes,

I as some of u know am a tahdaahhhh black man. yes it's true. I want to know from both sides Left and Right, why Blacks are against Republicans and why Republicans seem to ignore blacks. Just a question. please don't get mad and insult me. I'm just asking.

Read "Black Rednecks and White Liberals" by Thomas Sowell, yes he is also black. He explains the origins of the "ghetto culture" that blacks cling to as their own. It will also surprise you and educate you as to who actually supports blacks becoming equals with everyone else. I haven't finished it yet, but so far he has blown away so many myths of race relations that I grew up knowing weren't the real thing, but I never knew why.

Good luck with your search for knowledge.

[iltos]

Originally Posted by TooBad

Read "Black Rednecks and White Liberals" by Thomas Sowell, yes he is also black. He explains the origins of the "ghetto culture" that blacks cling to as their own. It will also surprise you and educate you as to who actually supports blacks becoming equals with everyone else. I haven't finished it yet, but so far he has blown away so many myths of race relations that I grew up knowing weren't the real thing, but I never knew why.

Good luck with your search for knowledge.

brief synopsis by the author here http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4296
interesting

[trekguy]

Originally Posted by Broly

Hi Dudes and Dudettes,

I as some of u know am a tahdaahhhh black man. yes it's true. I want to know from both sides Left and Right, why Blacks are against Republicans and why Republicans seem to ignore blacks. Just a question. please don't get mad and insult me. I'm just asking.

Because people go way past the real differences in political positions, and project those differences out to their worst extremes.

Then, you mix in a little stereotype, a dash of misrepresentation, and add some name-calling to taste... and you have the recipe for American politics.

IF we could just get to the real issues, and discuss/debate from there, things would improve. Both sides have valid POVs, and when the two sides compromise, and that's probably where most of us are.

Broly, I don't think that answered your question. LOL I don't like to refer to people by the color of their skin. To me, you are Broly, a person with ideas on this forum... nice to meet you. The reality is, your statement has some truth to it... but it is a pretty large blanket your throwing there.

You know, you hear things (right or wrong) growing up, and you take it to heart, and it grows from there. It's tough to shake those things. We tend to dig in, as it becomes us vs. them mentality, and on and on and on. We need to get past the skin color thing, somehow. It's a tough question.

How about that for rambling post??? I need to get to work... I try to do better later.

[Knotbored]

"why Blacks are against Republicans and why Republicans seem to ignore blacks"

I think both situations are a stereotype and neither has much factual backup. If you made up a questionair with yes/no answers listing the basic premis of both political parties without indicating which I think the response from blacks (and whites) would favor republican ideals.
(example-should life be a precious comodity and preserved )
or-should inexpensive medical care be available to all classes of poeple)
If you flavored those same questions with inflamatory remarks both ethnic groups would favor democrats.
(example-does a woman have the right to control her body-including abortion)
or-should a prosperous nation provide free health care to the poor)

I think the supposed split between the black community and republicans is mostly a message fanned by newspapers with a desire to expose only dramatic positions. If someone determined that redheads favored tall polliticians then it would make headlines and be discussed on editorial pages for weeks after it proved untrue.
DON'T steriotype-DON'T believe everything preached by either side !
DO determine which positions of either political party you support by reading those positions from factual articles not from the opositions editorial statements.

[wacor]

Broly this is an interesting thread.

I would ask you what have the democrats done for blacks?

When you get down to it there seems to be a bit of an allegiance to the democrats by blacks and I don't see what they are getting in return??

[Mulderator]

If you follow the history, black people voted overwhelmingly for Republicans up to the time of Roosevelt. As pointed out by sglv, Republicans were far more prominent in support of blacks through legislative means (they pushed through the Civil Rights Act of 1964 while some prominent Democrats oppossed it--you can Google the history yourself).

What happened? Basically two things. Roosevelt instituted many of the social programs that disproportionately benefitted blacks (even though that's not the reason for the social programs--it was to placate a growing movement of socialist/communists (today the Democratic party! ). Blacks thus saw Roosevelt, a Democrat, as providing them aid.

Second, was support by Democrats for affirmative action, which Republicans oppossed and still oppose and which I believe they have been vindicated in that that opposition was well founded. Not only are such programs unconstitutional, but they are extremely divisive.

At this point however, there is some change--as more and more blacks become affluent, successful, and educated, they are switching parties.

Really Broly what you need to do is look at both party platforms and consider which things they stand for and which you stand for.

So you want higher taxes?
Do you favor unlimited rights to abortion?
Do you believe in more government regulation of your business that you are thinking of starting?
Do you support unions?
Do believe that your state and local government should have more control over your life than the federal government?

There are many more. You see, I don't mind people supporting Democrats as long as they know and understand why. Far too many people, though, do it for reasons they don't really understand or fully comprehend. That's also true of Republicans, but I think its more true for Democrats because they pander to ignorance and pull emotional strings more than Republicans do

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by wacor

I would ask you what have the democrats done for blacks?

Hurting them far more than helping at this point in society. I do concede that Democrats aided blacks more during the 60s and 70s although they did so by unconstiutional means. The theory was basically that the ends justified the means and perhaps that was true then, but not anymore.

[izme]

What I find amusing is how black folks seem to play the race card so much.....even Obama is playing that old warn out race card

It's has become so passe

find another reason to complain

[Mulderator]

BTW Broly--do you like lips attached to your arse? I ask this because there are some of our liberal members here who will fall over themselves trying to suck up to you because you're black (or at least they think you are--we have no idea if you really are--you could be some hippy-era liberal trying to yank our chain for all we know).

Now granted--there are some lips you might like attached to your arse (as would Mulder)--but we will leave that for another thread! But trust me--the liberals who are going to put a lip suction cup on your arse here are not the kind I'm thinking about!

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by izme

What I find amusing is how black folks seem to play the race card so much.....even Obama is playing that old warn out race card

It's has become so passe

find another reason to complain

Now talk about an arse-kisser. Broly--this guy here (Fish) has had his lips attached to Mulder's arse since he came to this forum!