[Mulderator]

This appears to be another liberal witchhunt. Waxman and other liberals trying to bring down Roger Clemens because he represents what liberals despise--successful Americans! (on a side note, is Waxman just about the most obnoxious looking person on earth?) Really--who cares whether Clemens took Steroids? Liberals denounced the Clinton scandal as much ado about nothing and here they are trying to take down a 7 time Cy Young award winner either because he took steroids or because he won't admit to it if he did. Even if Clemens took steroids, who cares? Half the league was taking them. The players union refused to allow drug testing, which is the problem to begin with (again, because liberals don't like intrusion of civil liberties--allegedly!)

What a waste of taxpayer money. Do we really want to prosecute athletes because they took steroids?

[BDACBT]

Originally Posted by Mulderator

This appears to be another liberal witchhunt. Waxman and other liberals trying to bring down Roger Clemens because he represents what liberals despise--successful Americans! (on a side note, is Waxman just about the most obnoxious looking person on earth?) Really--who cares whether Clemens took Steroids? Liberals denounced the Clinton scandal as much ado about nothing and here they are trying to take down a 7 time Cy Young award winner either because he took steroids or because he won't admit to it if he did. Even if Clemens took steroids, who cares? Half the league was taking them. The players union refused to allow drug testing, which is the problem to begin with (again, because liberals don't like intrusion of civil liberties--allegedly!)

What a waste of taxpayer money. Do we really want to prosecute athletes because they took steroids?

You're making the same argument Clinton loyalists made, "He's being persecuted for having sex, taking steroids, whatever." Clinton's problem was perjury and obstruction of justice. Clemens' name has been tied to steroid use and that practice is killing people. This is a tremendous problem and I don't see how you can argue that. Clemens name was mentioned prominently in Mitchell's report, correct?

[izme]

I think that it's yet another trap set by Mulder to lure in liberals and then blame - accuse and insult them into submission...remaining at the top of the so called testosterone heap

truthfully...I don't see why people fall for that old worn out trap

Liberals blame Bush for everything and Mulder does the opposite...blaming the liberals for everything...a vicious cycle in here...no you are..no you are...no you are

insult ping pong

[TRS-80 vet]

Yeah - great question.

I suppose you'd rather they be formulatin' new spending legislation to spend your taxes [rebate]???

Originally Posted by TRS-80 vet

Yup... too bad.

However, maybe the rest of the federal legislators will involve themselves in the MLB steroid hearings, maybe for 5-6 more weeks, and not pass such charity legislation in the interim.

And THEN, they'll start a huge steroid bill, (and they'll get us on that one, with a little bit of steroid legislation stuck in for posterity)

I think they should spend the next forever years talkin' about it, and doin' nothin'.

THINK, bro'...

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by BDACBT

You're making the same argument Clinton loyalists made, "He's being persecuted for having sex, taking steroids, whatever." Clinton's problem was perjury and obstruction of justice. Clemens' name has been tied to steroid use and that practice is killing people. This is a tremendous problem and I don't see how you can argue that. Clemens name was mentioned prominently in Mitchell's report, correct?

Tremendous problem? Are you on drugs yourself? Tremendous problem for who? Who died?

The point is it is selective prosecution--hundreds for sure (and probably thousands) of major league players took steroids for years. Why are they selecting only a few of the top stars? Why are they going back to what happened once or twice 5 years ago. Are we going to go back and prosecute people who smoked dope in the 60s next?

BTW--I don't know where you are getting your information about steroids--they are routinely used to for valid medical purposes--there is nothing harmful about steroids unless you are taking them on a long term basis.

Originally Posted by BDACBT

You're making the same argument Clinton loyalists made, "He's being persecuted for having sex, taking steroids, whatever." Clinton's problem was perjury and obstruction of justice.

Of course he lied--he was having an affair with an intern and he was married at the time. Estimate are that people lie 13 times a day on average. You've never lied in your life?

This is a witchhunt pure and simple--a huge waste to taxpayer money and time.

And you don't have a problem with the scumbag who was supposed to have done things in confidence--he saved needles and swabs for 5 years? For what? Who in the hell saves a needle and a swab? This guy McNamee is a snake--he may be telling the truth about Clemens, he may not--point is he's a proven liar and a scumbag.

[Mulderator]

BTW--I don't know how in the world that wierdo freak Waxman has the gall to come off banging his hammer and cutting off Clemens. Clemens is an American Icon--Waxman is an American disgrace--a weasel politician that gets his jollies by trying to take down men he could never hope to be. They guy's got a intellectual Napolean complex--a small minded little man that makes himself look bigger by trying to bring better men down to his level.

[Mulderator]

And another thing--what the hell is Spector concerned about the alleged taping of opponents by New England? Goodell (the Commissioner) said he investigated it and the matter is resolved. Do we really need our Congressman getting involved in this?

The only reason Spector cares is because he's a big Eagles fan and New England beat the Eagles a couple years ago!

[TRS-80 vet]

Yeah - great ain't it - politicians worryin' about sports instead of more ways to spend our money

Life is good!

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by Mulderator

This appears to be another liberal witchhunt. Waxman and other liberals trying to bring down Roger Clemens because he represents what liberals despise--successful Americans! (on a side note, is Waxman just about the most obnoxious looking person on earth?) Really--who cares whether Clemens took Steroids? Liberals denounced the Clinton scandal as much ado about nothing and here they are trying to take down a 7 time Cy Young award winner either because he took steroids or because he won't admit to it if he did. Even if Clemens took steroids, who cares? Half the league was taking them. The players union refused to allow drug testing, which is the problem to begin with (again, because liberals don't like intrusion of civil liberties--allegedly!)

What a waste of taxpayer money. Do we really want to prosecute athletes because they took steroids?

Congress has more important issues to address and sports seems an unlikely candidate to start with.

[ChrisJones]

What's the matter Mulder? Not getting any at home?

[wacor]

At first blush it seems like an insane waste of time and money for congress to address this or most any sports related issue.

But then that means they are not using their twisted little minds to conjure up ways to further foul up this country and cost us taxpayers more money. So like gridlock having their arses working on things like this may not be all bad.

And don't make this a liberal issue Mulder. The idiot republicans do the same grandstanding. like when a couple of senators pressured the NFL to air the Patriot/Giants game on regular TV.

Congress is full of idiots. This is just another example of where they place priorities. And by the way if this is a crucial issue then it should not be the players being investigated but the coaches and trainers along with the local authorities. The Teams are turning a blind eye to this and the local authorities are doing nothing to investigate.

Frankly if they don't want to throw people in jail then it seems like this is taken not too seriously. Looks like other than Balco everybody gets a free pass. Unless one is getting nailed for perjury and that is a pretty lame way to address a problem

[lotuseclat79]

Hi Muldie,

Congress is wasting its time with Clemens for the same reason that Specter is wasting his time with Goodell. Because they can!

-- Tom

[linskyjack]

Originally Posted by Mulderator

This appears to be another liberal witchhunt. Waxman and other liberals trying to bring down Roger Clemens because he represents what liberals despise--successful Americans! (on a side note, is Waxman just about the most obnoxious looking person on earth?) Really--who cares whether Clemens took Steroids? Liberals denounced the Clinton scandal as much ado about nothing and here they are trying to take down a 7 time Cy Young award winner either because he took steroids or because he won't admit to it if he did. Even if Clemens took steroids, who cares? Half the league was taking them. The players union refused to allow drug testing, which is the problem to begin with (again, because liberals don't like intrusion of civil liberties--allegedly!)

What a waste of taxpayer money. Do we really want to prosecute athletes because they took steroids?

Oh please---both parties are into getting this free air time. You obviously don't have a problem with perjury--but then again you have no problems with torture----Thank you counselor.

[BDACBT]

Originally Posted by Mulderator

Tremendous problem? Are you on drugs yourself? Tremendous problem for who? Who died?

Kids as young as middle school are using anabolic steroids to develop muscle mass. http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/...ids/index.html
This can have deadly results.

The point is it is selective prosecution--hundreds for sure (and probably thousands) of major league players took steroids for years. Why are they selecting only a few of the top stars?

See above link. Kids see pro athletes bigger and badder than a human should ever be and they emulate that behavior.

BTW--I don't know where you are getting your information about steroids--they are routinely used to for valid medical purposes--there is nothing harmful about steroids unless you are taking them on a long term basis.

Again, see above link. Steroids are prescribed on a regular basis. I often get steroids myself when my MS gets bad. But the steroids being prescribed aren't the anabolic type. Their purpose is primarily as an anti-inflammatory. Steroids are banned by all major sports bodies and are considered controled substances in most countries. What does that say about anabolic steroids?

Of course he lied--he was having an affair with an intern and he was married at the time. Estimate are that people lie 13 times a day on average. You've never lied in your life?

Huh???

You said liberals argued Clinton's transgressions were much to do about nothing. I was just stating what we already know. It was about felonies he committed. If Clemens was doing steroids, that is a problem.

[ChrisJones]

I also don't understand how this is some "liberal" plot against Clemens, there are 18 GOP members of the committee as well. If this was some "liberal" witch hunt shouldn't they be making more noise about it? Or are they just as moronic and useless as some of the democrat members?