[Sarge]

I am so tired of all of the BS that goes on in TSG, especially when it comes to politics and the direction our country is going. So I just want to see where many of you are coming from. Is anyone here at TSG bi-partisan? Do you care enough about your Country to turn your back on your "Click" when you know at that time, it would be the right thing to do. I started this thread because many of you here have one-track minds and Id like to see at least the willingness to open up and try and find something good to say about the opposition.
So...in this thread, Id like the Democrats to come up with positive comments about the Republicans in regards to the Bush administration and the Global War on Terrorism during the past 8 years. Id also like the Republicans to do the same with the Democrats in regards to Congress and the Democratic Party.

Please no generic comments. Try and take the same time and do the same research you would do to defend your Party or politician as you would to smear the other guy.

Lets see how fast this thread goes to page 7.

[TRS-80 vet]

Where does 'hypo'-Libertarian fall?

[Sarge]

Originally Posted by TRS-80 vet

Where does 'hypo'-Libertarian fall?

I really dont know what that is vet. I guess you can add a positive comment about a politician you dont like. Or what you think that politician or party did right.

[izme]

yes there are positives

the real story of Iraq can be seen through the eyes of the women and the children

there is a dark side as well...all war has that.


there are more positives I can find, but at least I can say that there are positives

here's a litle clip from Glenn Beck which I don't agree with all of the time but he does have a good point

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74zSDKvibkg

I have many many complaints about the current Admin, but this thread isn't about that

[linskyjack]

Its kind of like you say potatoes, and I say tomatoes, potatoes, tomatoes, lets call the whole thing off. I can say one thing for the Republicans---they look darn good with some issues on paper. You know the whole thing about controlling spending, cutting taxes, being fiscally responsible. Unfortunately, they spend like drunken sailors. The Monkey and Chief did an okay job post-9/11 with the invasion of Afghanistan, but let his issues with his father blind him when he invaded Iraq. Oh, I approve of the entertainment that the Monkey and Chief has had at the White House over the last 7 years---Love country music and gospel. I hear that the food is good too.

I think the shinning moment for the President and his party was the Terry Schiavo case--To see those moral men and women fighting for the life of a vegetable was awe-inspiring. Oh, the other highlight was the anti-Gay marriage amendment---What the heck happened to that? I guess it went the way of the security alerts!

[izme]

All I have to do is talk to someone that's been there..a soldier....I'm sure he can tell me several positives

The danger of this thread is actually admitting any right by the other side...good luck with that and keeping this thread positive

[TRS-80 vet]

Originally Posted by Sarge

I really dont know what that is vet. I guess you can add a positive comment about a politician you dont like. Or what you think that politician or party did right.

Ronnie took care of us when I was in. I lay no favor to them otherwise...

[ekim68]

Sorry Sarge, I can't be bi-partisan...I'm an independent....IMO, that would have to be tri-partisan...

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by ekim68

Sorry Sarge, I can't be bi-partisan...I'm an independent....IMO, that would have to be tri-partisan...

LOL--come on Ekim--you may call yourself an independent but you are clearly a leftist/Democrat in poltiical philosophy.

[ekim68]

Originally Posted by Mulderator

LOL--come on Ekim--you may call yourself an independent but you are clearly a leftist/Democrat in poltiical philosophy.

You're probably right..I do lean that way....Doesn't matter really...Almost everyone I vote for doesn't win...But, I'll keep on voting...

[LuckyStrike]

Well, lets see. If Bill Clinton was never the president, but only my neighbor, I would chuckle at his antics, a likable guy. As for Hillary, every organization needs one, but only one. Setting personalities aside, and thinking about the policy goals of democrats, I have thought for several minutes and honestly I cannot think of any issue where I agree with them.

[Paquadez]

Sadly, Sarge, I fear your valiant attempt at an alternative thread is doomed before it has even started.

The core reality is that there is little real difference between the Dems and the GOP, perhaps excepting they focus on slightly different things to screw up and intefere with!

Unfortunately, modern Western political parties and politicians have become exceptionally adept (or their apparat have!) at raising their game to a sort of Celebdom level and brainwashing the rank and file electors along the way.

The GOP serve a different set of taskmasters to the Dems.

Anyone who imagines that their life under either Backup o'Bummer or Billary Clintonesque would be wholly different to that under Geo W Frontman4Dad, and the rest of the decision making gang, is dreaming!

Sure, a few fractional things would change: mainly to repay the various special interest lobby groups who picked up the tab for the charade.

Modern politics has become a wholly cynical game of self-improvement and advancement for the professional politicians: nothing more and nothing less.

What is a constant amazement to me, is just how on these boards gangs of unpaid supporters, slavishly spout about how wonderfully superior their party is: and what wonders they have performed for the US, its people and society!

Frightening!

Way back in the 1960s, Esso happened on a whizzy marketing campaign. The central hook was the slogan "Put a tiger in your tank!"

Aligned with this, Esso service stations across the UK started selling small furry synthetic tiger tails for motorists to BUY and hang out of their trunk or window!

And millions of muppets did!

Thus at one stroke, Esso had not only mounted a saturation ad initiative, but had conned the consumer to pay to assist with its promotion!

Smart!

I find absolute parallels between the Esso ramp and modern political views.

Rarely do we have TSG members openly debating the nuts and bolts of policy and process: if anyone actually tries, within a few posts, the unconscious brainwashed political groupies swing into action and start denegrating the other sids and rather than measured well constructed dialectic, what follows are perjuratives and assinine name calling.

Perhaps it's high time to plagiarise JFK's noted sentence and say:

"Ask not what you are supposed to be doing for your country: instead ask "What has my country actually been doing for me, rather than saying it's going to do for me?"

[izme]

you know Paq...you seem to be an eggspurt of our Nation...but what of your messed up country and the woes of your brethren?
The great and powerful monarchy

fast to criticize America but leary of confessing your own skeletons?

seems to be a brit legacy around here

[izme]

Until you Brits realize freedom and the ability to speak out against your monarchy...all you can do is speak up against ours...a lil tidbit of what you rightfully deserve...but you cannot do that...the royal authorities will rain down hell upon you..they must or you would speak up and out...so if speaking against America gives you that glimmer of freedom of speech...do it at your own expense...because our notion of freedom will bite you

don't tread on me is a serious statment

come onnn...just one of you Brits say "To hell with the Queen!"

[Paquadez]

Personally, I'm not a monarchist: I believe the whole rotten system of monarchy and the aristocracy needs junking: I'm a republican.

Your reaction, whilst predictable, assumes I don't believe the UK political system is rotten to the core.

It is; and I do!

It is from a basis in understanding the British political system and years of travel and involvement that I feel able to criticise others.

The OP's question was about the USA and its politics and the manner in which political discussions are always polarised on these boards.

I responded to that question: not another question about the UK monarchy!

Reverting, twice and leaping to your country's defence in the way you have, rather proves the point in my original post, huh?

What you have to remember, perhaps, is that America has hoisted itself into the position where its policies, economy and financial and fiscal systems all impact on the rest of the world.

Now, I don't have the power to vote for your politicians: I only suffer, financially, because of their fiscal insanity!

Remember the core mantra of the American colonists before the War of Independance?

No taxation without representation!

In a similar vein, America cannot expect to interfere in global politics; create mayhem in global finance and capital markets (sub prime); declare war on other sovereign states; take over thousands of major foreign corporations and fire tens of thousands; and thereafter retire behind the Monroe Doctrine without taking some significant stick!

So let's put the boot on the other foot: now it's your turn to write in an informed manner about UK politicians and politics: let's see if you know as much about my political system as I do about yours!