[bassetman]

I have heard different versions of this story for awhile, but I finally researched it:

...

In 1978 Congress passed and Carter signed HR 1337 which became Public Law 95-458. The bill essentially legalized the untaxed home production of beer up to certain quantities. The bill stated that for quantities under 100 gallons per person or 200 gallons per household/year:


"Beer for personal or family use. ... any adult may, without payment of tax, produce beer for personal or family use and not for sale."
With his Presidential pen, Carter made most homebrewing not only tax-exempt, but also the hot topic of the industry and the larger culture of homebrewers and consumers.

The 1980's went on to witness homebrewers going commercial, the emergence of "brew pubs," and the craft brew segment's first big gains.

The timing is just too coincidental to take the Credit away from Carter. And you thought Habitat For Humanity was his best legacy.

http://bxbeerdepot.blogspot.com/2007...brew-beer.html

[ekim68]

Thanks for the link....Shhh. Don't tell wacor that Carter had anything good to hang his hat on....He won't understand....

[bassetman]

Originally Posted by ekim68

Thanks for the link....Shhh. Don't tell wacor that Carter had anything good to hang his hat on....He won't understand....

Hehe

[lotuseclat79]

Hi bassetman,

I saw an article that said the cost of hops is going up dramatically - have you found that to be the case in your business - i.e. prices on beer rising - as it can only be passed on to the customer I take it? Or, has this been going on for quite a while now?

In the article, Sam Adams beer company was helping out in some way to supply hops to other brewers - I only skimmed the article and didn't pay too much attention to details, so I thought you being in the business would know a lot more about it.

-- Tom

[Wino]

Hops shortage caused by land being converted to corn for fuel, in article I read. Said possible that barley cost could double the price of beer. Another dagger in the backs of hardworking people from Bush..........the domino effect of escalated cost of oil.

[TooBad]

Originally Posted by Wino

Hops shortage caused by land being converted to corn for fuel, in article I read. Said possible that barley cost could double the price of beer. Another dagger in the backs of hardworking people from Bush..........the domino effect of escalated cost of oil.

How do you put the cost of barley and hops due to Ethanol on Bush??? You are seriously deranged by BDS! This is the liberals fault for shoving the untenable "solution" to oil being ethanol. The greens are all for mother earth at the expense in cost and lives of humans.

What an idiotic statement!

[johnnyburst79]

Originally Posted by TooBad

How do you put the cost of barley and hops due to Ethanol on Bush??? You are seriously deranged by BDS! This is the liberals fault for shoving the untenable "solution" to oil being ethanol. The greens are all for mother earth at the expense in cost and lives of humans.

What an idiotic statement!

I'm wondering as I'm not sure, who introduced Ethanol as a fuel to alleviate the oil?

Isn't Brazil having quite the success with Ethanol? Why is it that we are not?

[TooBad]

Originally Posted by johnnyburst79

I'm wondering as I'm not sure, who introduced Ethanol as a fuel to alleviate the oil?

Isn't Brazil having quite the success with Ethanol? Why is it that we are not?

Because they use sugar beets that produce approx. 10 times the ethanol per acre as corn. The US can only grow sugar beets in very limited areas. They have also already invested heavily in making sure the ethanol is produced near where it is used as it does not transport or store well at all.

[Wino]

Originally Posted by TooBad

How do you put the cost of barley and hops due to Ethanol on Bush??? You are seriously deranged by BDS! This is the liberals fault for shoving the untenable "solution" to oil being ethanol. The greens are all for mother earth at the expense in cost and lives of humans.

What an idiotic statement!

I presume you can read, but not comprehend.............I said why. Not sure how you figure 'liberals' are at fault considering the Republicans have been in control or able to block all legislation for the last 13 years. Had your hero Bush not gone to war in Iraq, chances are we would not be having this conversation. And had the three republican and one democratic admistrations since Carter stayed on his track for alternative fuels we damn sure wouldn't be having this conversation. Anyone that believe's different is beyond idiotic.

The 'greens' don't control jack ****. Personally they can all freeze to death in the dark as far as I'm concerned.

[lotuseclat79]

As I understand it, the ethanol craze has cause corn to replace wheat as a farm crop due to the demand for ethanol. The farmers are ok with making more $$$ of course.

However, this is causing the price of flour and other wheat based products (e.g. bread) to soar at the local groceries due to the shortage of supply (wheat products).

Also, ethanol is not exactly a panacea for the oil crisis and increased gasoline prices.

Energy independence from oil is where the future lies - too bad that TooBad is off his rocker about greenies - at the expense of humans - indeed!

-- Tom

[johnnyburst79]

Originally Posted by johnnyburst79

I'm wondering as I'm not sure, who introduced Ethanol as a fuel to alleviate the oil?

[TooBad]

Originally Posted by Wino

I presume you can read, but not comprehend.............I said why. Not sure how you figure 'liberals' are at fault considering the Republicans have been in control or able to block all legislation for the last 13 years. Had your hero Bush not gone to war in Iraq, chances are we would not be having this conversation. And had the three republican and one democratic admistrations since Carter stayed on his track for alternative fuels we damn sure wouldn't be having this conversation. Anyone that believe's different is beyond idiotic.

The 'greens' don't control jack ****. Personally they can all freeze to death in the dark as far as I'm concerned.

I guess you are the one who cannot comprehend, Republican does not equal conservative as can be seen quite clearly by their idiotic choice for President. Carter did good with the home brew, but that was probably due to his brother and "Billy Beer", otherwise Carter was the biggest idiot by far over Bush to have resided at the White House.

BTW, Bush is not a conservative either! The only time the Republicans have put forth a conservative, it was fought tooth and nail by the Republican elites. They are not much different than the Democrat elites in that manner.

[Littlefield]

Hops come from Europe for brewers like BM and the shortage is over across the pond .It has nothing to do with Bush !

[bassetman]

Originally Posted by lotuseclat79

Hi bassetman,

I saw an article that said the cost of hops is going up dramatically - have you found that to be the case in your business - i.e. prices on beer rising - as it can only be passed on to the customer I take it? Or, has this been going on for quite a while now?

In the article, Sam Adams beer company was helping out in some way to supply hops to other brewers - I only skimmed the article and didn't pay too much attention to details, so I thought you being in the business would know a lot more about it.

-- Tom

Wow, you guys are up on my industry! Our costs have skyrocked, but worse is the lack of availability. (I'd be interested in the Sam Adams article you referred to.) So far we are "eating" the costs. Miller, Bud etc are buying up much if not all of excess, further driving the prices up.

It is a result of ethinol (in EU), bet the hops farmers left are happy tho'
Not sure how all this will "play out"!

Prosit!
John

[BeerPimp]

For the record, I'm the author of that first link. Thanks for the citation basset. Just to clear a few things up....

Hops aren't strictly European, In fact most of the hops that American craft brewers and home brewers are using these days are from the American Northwest. Because the macro-breweries still use German hops like Saaz and Hallertau The largest portion of hops used in total american output are still European, in no way (however) is this even close to being a "Europe only" issue. Hops prices have tripled worldwide. In addition, barley malt has almost doubled in price. This, folks, is in the span of 1 year. It's scary.

Basset here is a link to an article about jim koch's hops offering on my site.

http://bxbeerdepot.blogspot.com/2008...h-smaller.html