[LANMaster]

I did read it. Nowhere does it even mention Carter speaking or writing anything remotely suggesting a 2-state solution.

Bush was the first.

[bassetman]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

I did read it. Nowhere does it even mention Carter speaking or writing anything remotely suggesting a 2-state solution.

Bush was the first.

did a search and found nothing to support your claim. Got a reference?

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by bassetman

did a search and found nothing to support your claim. Got a reference?

You're asking me to prove where Carter DIDN'T say something?

Carter never mentioned a 2-state ME poplicy. You say he did. Show me.

Your WIKI link doesn't cut the mustard.

[bassetman]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

You're asking me to prove where Carter DIDN'T say something?

Carter never mentioned a 2-state ME poplicy. You say he did. Show me.

Your WIKI link doesn't cut the mustard.

No! I am asking you to show me a reference saying Bush is the first!

[LANMaster]

Here you go - Bush calls for 2-state solution - THE ROADMAP
A comprehensive, detailed 2-state proposition



Now .... your job to find any other President who did that, enkay?


Edit: Link repaired

[bassetman]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Here you go - Bush calls for 2-state solution - THE ROADMAP
A comprehensive, detailed 2-state proposition


Now .... your job to find any other President who did that, enkay?

Your link "cannot be displayed".

[LANMaster]

Apologies

Here it is.

[LANMaster]

Carter negotiating Israel's phased destruction

Ex-president gave legitimacy to old Hamas plan to annihilate Jewish state

JERUSALEM – Former president Jimmy Carter's "breakthrough" Hamas truce deal is actually nothing new. The terror group has been floating around the exact plan for two years now and will explain to anyone who asks that their 10-year truce offer is part of a strategy aimed at destroying Israel.

Returning from four days of meetings with leaders of Hamas, a triumphant Carter announced today in Jerusalem his mediation efforts were successful – Hamas agreed to a 10-year truce in exchange for Israel withdrawing to what is known as the pre-1967 borders.

"There's no doubt that both the Arab world and the Palestinians, including Hamas, will accept Israel's right to live in peace within the 1967 borders," Carter said, briefing reporters.

Hamas chieftain Khaled Meshaal affirmed from exile in Syria, "We agree to a [Palestinian] state on pre-67 borders, with Jerusalem as its capital with genuine sovereignty without settlements but without recognizing Israel."

"We have offered a truce if Israel withdraws to the 1967 borders, a truce of 10 years," Meshaal said.

Pre-1967 borders refers to an Israeli withdrawal from eastern Jerusalem, including the Temple Mount and Old City; from the strategic, mountainous Golan Heights, which looks down on Israeli population centers and was twice used by Syria to attack Israel; and from the West Bank, which borders Jerusalem and is within rocket-range of Tel Aviv and Israel's international airport.

A 1967 report by the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff argued in a memorandum to the Defense Department that to ensure its security, Israel must retain control of much of the Golan and "the prominent high ground [of the West Bank] running north-south." The report has since been upheld by over 100 retired U.S. generals and admirals.


Hamas spokesman Fawdi Barhoum clarified that in order for any truce to take effect, Israel would need to evacuate "every centimeter of the West Bank and every centimeter of east Jerusalem."

No Israeli-Palestinian peace plans, even those drafted by extreme leftist Israeli parties such as Meretz, call for the Jewish state to evacuate the entire West Bank, citing security concerns for retaining some of the territory.

Hamas spokesman in Gaza Sami Abu Zuhri said that as precondition for any Israeli-Hamas truce, the Jewish state must allow "all Palestinian refugees" to "return" to Israel.

Crap .... this is the very definition of treason.
Carter has legitimized terrorism by Hamas against Israel AND the USA.

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[Fidelista]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Carter negotiating Israel's phased destruction

Ex-president gave legitimacy to old Hamas plan to annihilate Jewish state



Crap .... this is the very definition of treason.
Carter has legitimized terrorism by Hamas against Israel AND the USA.

More

Carter can not bestow "legitimacy" on any Govt , this is foolish talk.
Carter tried once again to do what everyone has either not tried , or failed at for years .
It did not work .
At least he tried .
If Hamas cannot do any better than a truce for a deal that everyone has supported , it is black eye for Hamas , a very public one .
The deal was nothing more than the U.N security council resolution 242 being observed --supported by all, internationally , for decades .
Agreement to it should result in recognition of Israel --NOT just a truce.
It appears that neither side is interested in resolving anything .
Res 242 is the core of the problem , always has been , and if Israel were to abide by it -- only a truce ? . No way . Full acceptance of Israels right to exist and enforcement of it , or nothing .
Just my 2 cents.
This is no news , same thing as before Carter made his trip .
>f

[Fidelista]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Carter negotiating Israel's phased destruction

Ex-president gave legitimacy to old Hamas plan to annihilate Jewish state



Crap .... this is the very definition of treason.
Carter has legitimized terrorism by Hamas against Israel AND the USA.

More

BTW Lan --World net ?
Why is it you always come up with most exaggerated , sensational nonsense ?.
Carter has has had notable success in peace efforts , and some big failures --pretty simple .
Why try to make a satan out of someone who actually desires peace, and works at --win or lose ?. No skin off your arse , or anybody elses.
This attempt was failure , I will give you that , but damn , you certainly go to most extreme --- nonsense . . . >f

[wacor]

Originally Posted by Fidelista

BTW Lan --World net ?
Why is it you always come up with most exaggerated , sensational nonsense ?.
Carter has has had notable success in peace efforts , and some big failures --pretty simple .
Why try to make a satan out of someone who actually desires peace, and works at --win or lose ?. No skin off your arse , or anybody elses.
This attempt was failure , I will give you that , but damn , you certainly go to most extreme --- nonsense . . . >f

The fact he went over there though defying the wishes of the admin should not be taken lightly. IMO

You can not have a rouge agent interfering when it comes to stuff like this. And a rouge agent is what he was. IMO

I wish to have peace in that region and going about it with Peanut Boy sticking his nose in it is no way to accomplish anything. Not when dealing with a group like Hamas. Let alone any country or group. That is no way to conduct foreign policy.

Had he been sent as an envoy on behalf of the admin I would not question it one bit. I would be in full support of that. But he has made it pretty clear time and again he listens to nobody and is on his own.

[bassetman]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Apologies

Here it is.

No disrespect Lan, but I think I read the whole thing and didn't notice one reference to
bush being the first to propose a 2 state solution.

[Bastiat]

Originally Posted by Fidelista

Carter can not bestow "legitimacy" on any Govt , this is foolish talk.

>f

You wouldn't be spouting that bullhockey if he was visiting Cuba. You'd be telling us the exact opposite.

[pyritechips]

But he has made it pretty clear time and again he listens to nobody and is on his own.

Sounds like Buah!

With all due respect wacor, I think the term you mean is "rogue"
not "rouge", which means either a make-up product or "red" in french.

[pyritechips]

Originally Posted by pyritechips

Sounds like Buah!

With all due respect wacor, I think the term you mean is "rogue"
not "rouge", which means either a make-up product or "red" in french.

Hmmm! On second thought maybe he is "rouge", being a Democrat and all!