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29-Apr-2008, 02:59 PM #16
Why won't Mulder respond?

cause you're not a nubile young woman
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29-Apr-2008, 02:59 PM #17
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One big difference, Germany was a stated ally of a country that DID attack the US.
And Iraq is an Arab State, with Arab alliances.
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29-Apr-2008, 03:00 PM #18
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Why won't Mulder respond?

cause you're not a nubile young woman
If anything will get him to post in here ... that will.

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If anything will get him to post in here ... that will.

Just trying to lend a hand
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29-Apr-2008, 03:18 PM #20
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Why won't Mulder respond?

cause you're not a nubile young woman
Yes, that might have something to do with it
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29-Apr-2008, 03:19 PM #21
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Yes, that might have something to do with it


Hi Leah
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29-Apr-2008, 04:22 PM #22
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I have been challenging Mulder to do the following:

1. Tell us how many Iraq civilians have died as a result of the US invasion
2. Tell us how many Iraqi civilians have fled Iraqi as a result of the US invasion.
3. Tell us how many Iraqi civilians have lost their homes as a result of the US invasion.
4. Tell us how he figures the number of Iraqi people saved by our invasion what is the statistical basis for his claims?
5. Tell us how he correlates no homeland terrorist attacks with the Iraqi invasion. Surely he must know that major terrorist attacks of the US normally take many years to plan. Could he also tell us how many terrorist attacks there have been in Europe since the invasion of Iraq.
I've answered 1, 2, 3, and 4 numerous times (you don't like the answers)--the "net" effect is as follows (I can't tell you the gross pluses and minuses either way and no one could ever tell you that):

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as of 4/29/08: 12:15 a.m. PST)

Lives Saved by invading Iraq: 257,654

Refugees Averted by invading Iraq: 927,919


http://www.blogoram.com/
As to No. 5 I never made any correlation whatsoever.
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29-Apr-2008, 04:25 PM #23
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Why won't Mulder respond?

cause you're not a nubile young woman
But you are--anything you need from Mulder?
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29-Apr-2008, 04:26 PM #24
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Yes, that might have something to do with it
Do YOU need anything from Mulder?
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29-Apr-2008, 04:26 PM #25
How do you get a net without the pluses and minuses?
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29-Apr-2008, 04:33 PM #26
Mulder you devil---thats a blog with links with files that don't exist! Mulder, where do you actually come up with your number---for instances, the 267,000 lives saved. Do you just make this stuff up?
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29-Apr-2008, 04:38 PM #27
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How do you get a net without the pluses and minuses?
Easy--they look at the number of people that died before the invasion and the number after--in fact its the ONLY way you can do it.

That's the big advantage the anti-war group has in focusing on what's happening in Iraq--you only know for sure what happens not what's been avoided. How can you EVER tell who was saved by invading Iraq--you can't--you can only tell who was killed. All you can do is look at what happened before and after (how many died before vs. how many died after--did it increase or decline). This is rocket science. Its not that difficult to comprehend.
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29-Apr-2008, 04:41 PM #28
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Mulder you devil---thats a blog with links with files that don't exist! Mulder, where do you actually come up with your number---for instances, the 267,000 lives saved. Do you just make this stuff up?
No--there is an explanation of how its calculated. Or did you forget about the 400,000 people found in mass graves killed by Hussein? Or are you contending that no one was being killed in Iraq prior to the invasion?
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29-Apr-2008, 04:42 PM #29
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Mulder you devil---thats a blog with links with files that don't exist! Mulder, where do you actually come up with your number---for instances, the 267,000 lives saved. Do you just make this stuff up?
click on the link and look at the top lefthand side of the page. The numbers are there. Click on the words "No Body Count" above those numbers and it takes you to a page where the writer shows how he arrived at that number.
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If you click on the "No Body Count", you get the data from which the calculations are made (and its fairly conservative--the numbers are probably higher because there were many deaths we DON'T know about from any source.

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NoBody Count

By UML Guy
January 2nd, 2004
Announcing… The Blog o’RAM NoBody Count!

[UPDATED: Fixed a math error induced by the inhuman nature of JavaScript. Minor typographic change. Change to add commas to the big numbers.]

I was curious just how many people Saddam and his buddies had killed during their 25 year reign. After a lot of digging, I found State Department reports that showed the following:

From IRAQ: CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY - Leaders as Executioners

2,040 deaths

Executed opponents and suspected potential rivals, including scores of high-level government officials and thousands of political prisoners.

1,070,000 deaths

The 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war left 150,000 to 340,000 Iraqis and 450,000 to 730,000 Iranians dead.

1,000 deaths

Ordered the invasion and destruction of Kuwait in 1990-91 with 1,000 Kuwaitis killed.

60,000 deaths

Directed the 1991 bloody suppression of Kurdish and Shi’a insurgencies in northern and southern Iraq with at least 30,000 to 60,000 killed.

7,000 deaths

Periodically ordered during 1988-99 mass prison executions of several thousand inmates (”prison cleansing”).

20,000 deaths

Known as Saddam’s “Shi’a thug”, he violently suppressed the 1991 Shi’a uprisings after the Gulf War with tens of thousands killed.

From Saddam’s Brutality Against the Iraqi People

100,000 deaths

The campaign resulted in the death of at least 50,000 to 100,000 Iraqi Kurds, according to Human Rights Watch reports.

2,000 deaths

For good measure, I checked for data on refugees as well:

From War Crimes


900,000 refugees

The Iraqi government’s campaign of forced deportations of Kurdish and Turkomen families to southern Iraq has created approximately 900,000 internally displaced citizens throughout the country.

From Saddam’s Brutality Against the Iraqi People

1900000 refugees

During the 1991 Iraqi repression of the post-Gulf war Kurdish insurrection, thousands of Iraqi Kurds died, 500,000 became refugees along northern Iraq’s “no-fly zone” bordering Turkey, and 1.2 to 1.4 million other refugees fled to Iran.

From Destroying the Marshes

240,000 refugees

By 1993 the marshes sheltered 200,000 to 250,000 inhabitants � more than half Marsh Arabs; the rest various internally displaced persons and oppositionists. Today, nearly all are displaced � less than 10,000 Marsh Arabs still survive the regime’s systematic destruction, bulldozing, and artillery bombardments, while thousands were secretly executed by Iraqi forces, including women and children.

From Invading Kuwait

1500000 refugees

It is estimated that 1.5 million people were displaced abroad by Iraq’s occupation of Kuwait, while the remaining 750,000 endured brutalities, oppression, torture, and more than 1,000 were killed.

So a reasonable read of these numbers shows that Saddam Hussein’s Iraq was responsible for the deaths of 1.26 million Iraqis and other Arabs, and for the creation of 4.54 million refugees. That is what we’re stopping in Iraq.

Next, the mathematician in me said, “Those numbers are too big to grasp. Let’s break them down to something I can comprehend.” Finally, I decided to turn them into daily averages. The result: 138 Iraqis and other Arabs killed per day, and 497 refugees created. That is what we’re stopping in Iraq.

And that, finally, led me to this calculation: on average, how many Iraqi and Arab lives have we saved so far? With an average of 138 lives saved per day since March 20, 2003, the answer today is 39,744. I call this The NoBody Count, for two reasons:

1. Thanks to our brave troops, there are no new bodies in The Mass Graves.

2. If you listen to the partisan hacks, these lives saved don’t count. They’re NoBodies.

But you know, I’ll bet they think they’re not NoBodies. Their families don’t think they’re NoBodies. So let’s keep counting those NoBodies. They’re important.
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