[poochee]

Originally Posted by Nekochanpurr

I think its kind of sad.. We should teach both in sex education.. abstinence and how to protect yourself. However, personally, i think its stupid on the teenagers part not to hold back.. I mean, you don't HAVE to have sex, you won't die. I wouldn't teach that you have to wait till marriage (lets face it, not everyone wants to), but wait until you are ready to be financially stable for yourself. Oh! Got knocked up? Good thing you'll be better prepared to take care of that baby. =P Moreover, i think we, in general, need to teach people to take responsibility for their actions.

...Man i love the firefox spell check.

Good thinking!

[johnnyburst79]

Originally Posted by poochee

Teach sex education at home and in the church. That way it will mean something and be properly taught.

So leave it to the Catholic Church to teach sexuality...great idea...

In the home, well of course. Parents should be parents and raise their children to the utmost of their ability to succeed in life. One word you said is correct..."TEACH". Inform the teenagers. Educate them. Leaving them to their own devices may make you a grandparent LONG before you wanted to be one.

Originally Posted by LANMaster

The whole premise of your argument is that kids don't have a choice. They're going to hump like bunnies because they have no control ... no ethical code .... no ability to refuse.

Kids have hormones and their partial reasoning brains means that they will think and experiment. It is what being a kid is all about, and that means teenager as well, you know the whole trying new things. Do kids experiment? Of course, as they should. Is it wrong? No, it isn't wrong. As an adult, you should use your reason and 20/20 hindsight to realize that kids do NOT do what their parents tell them. They will live their lives and it is the duty of the parent to fully inform their children.

Do that. Don't sweep it under the rug like so many other facets of life.

Repressing instinct, passion, and desire and forcing a child to abide by a set of guidelines from a church that has been rocked with one of the supposed greatest sins, homosexual pedophilia, is completely absurd.

Accept, acknowledge, and show your children that these feelings are natural to be explored, intelligence will eliminate the vast majority of issues such as STD's and pregnancy.

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Because you cannot remove the foundation of faith from underneath teaching morality, then expect morality to remain standing.

Just because YOU know only one way and have ONLY known one way does not mean it is the only way. Just because someone isn't christian does not make them automatically a horrible individual who seeks to indulge in every facet of immorality.

Lan, don't even begin to start about how christians are pillars of morality...they have killed more people in the name of God than any other group in the history of the world and caused more atrocities than I care to name.


Back to the original question...

Of course it has failed. It was doomed to fail from the start by the sheer virtue of curiosity. Sure, some young and impressionables will abide by the idea initially, until they hear how good it can be. It is a ridiculous idea, especially when one looks at the divorce rates.

Why do American's place such a high value on supposed "Christian" ideals of the leaders when really, Church has zero place in government? Do Europeans have such issues, or is a common sense and realistic approach the best way to approach real issues?

[bassetman]

Originally Posted by bomb #21

It's not uncommon to read in here about the liberals' agenda to indoctrinate kindergartners w/r/t homosexuality. And then there's the whole question of sex education in schools.

Saw this a couple of days go:

US lawmakers are investigating whether to cut government funding for health education programmes that promote sexual abstinence until marriage.

but I've not seen anything in here about "a report earlier this year from America's leading health agency, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which revealed one in four teenage girls has a sexually transmitted disease".

$1.5bn tax dollars wasted eh?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7368219.stm

Yes!

[poochee]

Originally Posted by johnnyburst79

So leave it to the Catholic Church to teach sexuality...great idea...

In the home, well of course. Parents should be parents and raise their children to the utmost of their ability to succeed in life. One word you said is correct..."TEACH". Inform the teenagers. Educate them. Leaving them to their own devices may make you a grandparent LONG before you wanted to be one.

I know not what they teach in the Catholic church, I can only speak for the Baptist church.

[pyritechips]

Originally Posted by Wiskycoo

I have to agree with linksky here.

Yeah, I have to agree. Human nature will prevail over any arbitrary restrictions laid down on political or "moral" principles. When I was young, being told not to have sex was a joke. Nobody could ever logically explain to me why not to have sex. It is a primary human drive plus it felt good. So don't give me this hyprocritical argument that kids can't have sex because they will be exposed to some nasty disease. By that logic kids shouldn't be allowed to drive cars. In my province the majority of traffic accidents and deaths are caused by the 16-24 year-old group.

[johnnyburst79]

Originally Posted by poochee

I know not what they teach in the Catholic church, I can only speak for the Baptist church.

I still wouldn't want any priest/minister/shaman/pastor teaching my child anything except spirituality. That is solely the responsible parents job.

As a person, you don't know what the priest/minister/shaman/pastor has engaged in and is teaching the child. Outsourcing the education supposed to be received at home is a surefire way to shirk responsibility.

[poochee]

Originally Posted by johnnyburst79

I still wouldn't want any priest/minister/shaman/pastor teaching my child anything except spirituality. That is solely the responsible parents job.

As a person, you don't know what the priest/minister/shaman/pastor has engaged in and is teaching the child. Outsourcing the education supposed to be received at home is a surefire way to shirk responsibility.

I trust them more than some teacher from out of nowhere! Ministers teach from the moral angle. There are youth groups encouraging abstinence. If they have specific questions they will be answered.

[pyritechips]

well said, Johnny! Once we allow others to educate (indoctrinate) our children we may as well not have any. Sounds too much like "Brave New Worlds" to me.

[LANMaster]

The Western culture which once embraced the authority of God, has decided to abandon that authority.
The cultural deline is a result of that. Society is simply reaping what we have been sewing.

[bomb #21]

Originally Posted by poochee

I trust them more than some teacher from out of nowhere! Ministers teach from the moral angle ...

By which you mean ... they teach abstinence?

[bomb #21]

Originally Posted by LAN

The Western culture which once embraced the authority of God, has decided to abandon that authority.
The cultural deline is a result of that. Society is simply reaping what we have been sewing.

Got a link?

[bomb #21]

Originally Posted by pyritechips

Yeah, I have to agree. Human nature will prevail over any arbitrary restrictions laid down on political or "moral" principles. When I was young, being told not to have sex was a joke. Nobody could ever logically explain to me why not to have sex. It is a primary human drive plus it felt good. So don't give me this hyprocritical argument that kids can't have sex because they will be exposed to some nasty disease. By that logic kids shouldn't be allowed to drive cars. In my province the majority of traffic accidents and deaths are caused by the 16-24 year-old group.

Bravo! "If you must have sex, use protection (AKA take responsibility)".

[poochee]

Abstinence didn't create this horror!

updated 5:17 p.m. EDT, Sun May 4, 2008
Girl carries secret baby to hospital, still attached
The Associated Press

Story Highlights
8-pound, 3-ounce boy healthy, "eating like a champ," doctor says
Xochitl Parra was getting ready for school when the contractions began
"I felt his head coming, so I sit down and pushed so he could come out," Parra says
Teen says pregnancy kept secret because she feared being kicked out of her home

LONG BEACH, California (AP) -- A 17-year-old girl gave birth secretly at home, then walked four blocks to a hospital with the baby still attached by its umbilical cord.

Excerpt from: http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/05/04/tee....ap/index.html

[bomb #21]

Article doesn't say what did cause the child. Possibly failure by the parent(s) to "grasp the nettle" was a factor.

[johnnyburst79]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

The Western culture which once embraced the authority of God, has decided to abandon that authority.

What "authority" does God play in political decisions? Does he tell anyone what to do?

Originally Posted by LANMaster

The cultural deline is a result of that. Society is simply reaping what we have been sewing.

No, it isn't. Today's reality is due to the past which has been puritanical in both belief and substance as well as historically. How many American's are ashamed of sexual acts? Why? I say this country is FAR more conservative than is truly necessary and the ideas that we need to revert to "God" is illogical and completely baseless.

Why is it that other countries have far more efficient and better examples of democracy than the United States if "God" is so prevalent here and not there?