[Stoner]

If videos are the truth, would someone please explain this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nnX7xQ3IFQ

[linskyjack]

MCain will stick with the whacko preachers because he needs the Fundi vote. It has nothing to do with anything else other then that. The straight talk express is selective.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by bassetman

You believe the US was founded in part to destroy Islam?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXZbI...d.php?t=162152

Nope. But I think that it is clear that the tenets of Islam include the take over of the West.

Christianity couldn't be farther away from that ideal.

I thought that was what I wrote.

[bassetman]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Nope. But I think that it is clear that the tenets of Islam include the take over of the West.

Christianity couldn't be farther away from that ideal.

I thought that was what I wrote.

You said politically the minister was correct, that is what he said early on in the video.

[LANMaster]

He was only half correct. Islam has in it's charter to be an enemy to the west.
He was incorrect in stating that there has ever been a Christian motivation to go after Islam.
Very anti-Christian, IMO.
Defending ourselves is one thing, but the vitriole from that wacko suggest blind aggression and pre-emptive warfare on the basis of religion.
I can never go along with that. McCain should rebuke Parsley for it and retract his previous approval.

Still it is no comparisson to O'bama & Wright. Far as I know, McCain hasn't even attended Parsley's church before, let alone been a standing member for 20+ years.

Sorry .... no dice.

[Fidelista]

Originally Posted by kaaos

i want to know where the outrage is. where is the media coverage? pastorbaiting seems to be the weapon of choice

I don't know about outrage , but this is the kind of thing I hate .
Anyone attacking McCain should do so using his words , not someone else's.
This guilt by association thing is being taken way too far IMO.
I would think sticking to the issues would be the thing to do, there are plenty of them !.
I would hate to see leftists resort to the tactics used on Obama , and am glad media coverage is limited .
Hopefully you posted this as example of scumbag politic --and not because you support it .
Keep in mind , there is no shortage of crackpot preachers and religious nuts supporting all the candidates .
BTW , I like that term "pastorbaiting " !, a good pastime for political lowlife .
>f

[bassetman]

Originally Posted by Fidelista

I don't know about outrage , but this is the kind of thing I hate .
Anyone attacking McCain should do so using his words , not someone else's.
This guilt by association thing is being taken way too far IMO.
I would think sticking to the issues would be the thing to do, there are plenty of them !.
I would hate to see leftists resort to the tactics used on Obama , and am glad media coverage is limited .
Hopefully you posted this as example of scumbag politic --and not because you support it .
Keep in mind , there is no shortage of crackpot preachers and religious nuts supporting all the candidates .
BTW , I like that term "pastorbaiting " !, a good pastime for political lowlife .
>f

When someone slings mud at you, it's hard to reist doing the same back!

[Snagglegaster]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Islam is a choice, not a skin color.
Those who seek to destroy the USA are enemies of this country.
While there are moderate Muslims who do not apply portions of their faith which demand the conversion and enslavement of infidels, one cannot separate the entirety of the written doctrine from the professor of the faith.

Parsley's a kook, don't get me wrong. I do not believe that he accurately represents the Christian faith, as I do not see him injecting grace or mercy, or love in any of those soundbytes. And nowhere in my Bible do I read that Christians should rise up and defeat Islam. That's God's job, and will become a reality during the tribulation without any help from Parsley or his army of misinformed robots.

But from a purely political perspective, Parsley is actually correct, where Jeremiah Wright is an overtly racist bigot, and a liar.

This shouldn't hit McCain much.

Just a note on "The Tribulation" (and the Rapture), I hope you realize that the Bible doesn't mention it, and the whole concept is basically a creation of John Nelson Darby in the early 19th Century.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by Snagglegaster

Just a note on "The Tribulation" (and the Rapture), I hope you realize that the Bible doesn't mention it, and the whole concept is basically a creation of John Nelson Darby in the early 19th Century.

Balderdash ...... with all due respect.

Naturally, I will disagree with you not only about the rapture clearly described in the Bible but also where the concept originated.

For you to say that The Tribulation does not appear in the bible is an out and out lie.

Here some of the scriptures to support the facts behind the rapture concept.


Rapture in: 1 Thess 4, 1 Cor 15:

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Thess 4:18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

[caught up=HARPAZO=Rapture]

1 Thess 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
1 Thess 2:19 For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?
1 Thess 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
1 Thess 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.



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1Cor 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Cor 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Cor 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Cor 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

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Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

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The Seven Churches
Feast of Trumpets
2 Thess 2: Falling Away / Departure
Jewish Wedding (a theme of the Feast of Trumpets)
The Church is the Bride of Christ.
End of Trib; people return from heaven.
Daniel's 70th Week
Who has dominion? Satan or the Lord Jesus Christ's Church?
The man child ruler Raptured in Rev 12
"Lights/Christians" are not in "Darkness/Day of Lord/tribulation"
Noah and Lot as examples of deliverance
One taken (in the rapture); the other left (behind in tribulation)
Gathered to the body of the Lord, as Eagles
Not knowing the day or the hour.
The Lord comes for his bride as a thief in the night to take her away in the marriage
We look forward to Christ's appearing and return.
Will Christians REALLY be spared the Tribulation?
More Rapture Verses



Care to go a few rounds with me regarding the Tribulation mentioned in the Bible? (figuratively, of course) Old and New Testament.

[bassetman]

I did a quick search and the results support SG!

The Rapture Theory:
It's Surprising Origin

by Ernest L. Martin, Ph.D., 1976

Almost all Christians are interested in prophecy. This is especially so if the prophecies show what will happen to Christians themselves. There is nothing wrong in desiring such personal knowledge. Even our Lord gave a considerable amount of teaching about the circumstances to befall His people at the end of the age (Matthew 24:22-25). All of us share a common concern in wanting to know about the participants, the chronology, and the geography of those prophecies. To comprehend the full knowledge of them it is obvious that all relevant statements of our Lord and His apostles must be properly interpreted and placed into a coherent order. Many Christians have attempted to do this. As a consequence, the doctrine of the Rapture has arisen. So important has it become to many that the teaching is now sanctioned as the prime revelation from God to show what will happen Lo members of His church just before and during the second coming of Christ. Some even look on it as the heart and core of present Christian expectations! Because of this, it will pay us to review what the doctrine is all about.

The word "Rapture" is not found in the Bible. There is also no single word used by the biblical authors to describe the prophetic factors which comprise the doctrine. Its formulation has come about by means of induction. Certain biblical passages concerning the second coming (and the role that Christians will play in that event) have been inductively blended together to establish the teaching. The modern expression "Rapture" was then invented to explain the overall teaching and the term suits the subject well. The basic tenets of the doctrine are uninvolved. Simply put, it purports that Christ will come back to this earth in two phases. He will first return invisibly to rapture His church away from this world so that they might escape (or partially escape the prophetical tribulation to occur near the end of the age, then later Christ will return in a visible advent to dispense His wrath on the world's nations. This is the general teaching.

...http://www.askelm.com/doctrine/d760201.htm

[LANMaster]

That's bull crap, Bassetman.

The scriptures clearly support the rapture and the tribulation.

[bassetman]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

That's bull crap, Bassetman.

The scriptures clearly support the rapture and the tribulation.

It does appear the Author's Ph.d. is unaccredited!

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by bassetman

It does appear the Author's Ph.d. is unaccredited!

I appreciate that honesty.

Now go read the scriptures for yourself instead of first buying into the anti-Christian rhetoric.

I posted a wide variety of scriptural references above to prove that the Bible describes the harpazo very well.

[Ciberblade]

Originally Posted by bassetman

The word "Rapture" is not found in the Bible. There is also no single word used by the biblical authors to describe the prophetic factors which comprise the doctrine. Its formulation has come about by means of induction.

Ah....in the strictest sense...the specific word 'rapture' does not exist in the Bible -- Although, that is not what is truly in question (here's where the fallacy becomes exposed for what it is...a fallacy) -- Rapture is just a word...what matters is the meaning that word conveys. How does that reconcile with the scriptures that Lan has posted?

[bassetman]

Originally Posted by Ciberblade

Ah....in the strictest sense...the specific word 'rapture' does not exist in the Bible -- Although, that is not what is truly in question (here's where the fallacy becomes exposed for what it is...a fallacy) -- Rapture is just a word...what matters is the meaning that word conveys. How does that reconcile with the scriptures that Lan has posted?

Don't know, I am not an expert on scripture!