[zergpc208]

Some computer stores are crooks they have computers 4 years old and want $500 for it , why is that?

They say you can change your LCD resolution and no you cannot change the resolution like a CRT.

They claim you can hook up a computer to a TV but no TV turner card.They claim you can get the picture on a small CRT or small LCD on a big TV with a S-video or TV-out :eek You will damage your TV at that resolution.

They claim this game will run on this computer or that but no it will not run on it.

[BlackSpike]

Originally Posted by zergpc208

Some computer stores are crooks they have computers 4 years old and want $500 for it , why is that?

Because the Capitalist free market says they can charge what they like. Buy it or don't.
Caveat emptor.

They say you can change your LCD resolution and no you cannot change the resolution like a CRT.

But you can change the resolution, yes?

They claim you can hook up a computer to a TV but no TV turner card.They claim you can get the picture on a small CRT or small LCD on a big TV with a S-video or TV-out :eek You will damage your TV at that resolution.

They claim this game will run on this computer or that but no it will not run on it.

If you find a retailer or manufacturer making false claims, there are already laws.

[Bastiat]

Originally Posted by zergpc208

Some computer stores are crooks they have computers 4 years old and want $500 for it , why is that?

They say you can change your LCD resolution and no you cannot change the resolution like a CRT.

They claim you can hook up a computer to a TV but no TV turner card.They claim you can get the picture on a small CRT or small LCD on a big TV with a S-video or TV-out :eek You will damage your TV at that resolution.

They claim this game will run on this computer or that but no it will not run on it.

Hate to break it to you but those laws already exist, both criminal and civil.

[Chicon]

Originally Posted by zergpc208

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They claim this game will run on this computer or that but no it will not run on it.

The system requirements of PC games are printed on the cover.

[Gibble]

Originally Posted by zergpc208

Some computer stores are crooks they have computers 4 years old and want $500 for it , why is that?

They can charge what they want. But given the knowledge of PCs you've shown in the rest of this post, I'm going to guess you are way off base and there prices are reasonable.

They say you can change your LCD resolution and no you cannot change the resolution like a CRT.

Sure you can, I have 4 LCDs here, I can change the resolution on all of them. The LCDs I have here go as high as 1920x1080 and 1280x800.

They claim you can hook up a computer to a TV but no TV turner card.They claim you can get the picture on a small CRT or small LCD on a big TV with a S-video or TV-out :eek You will damage your TV at that resolution.

You have two things wrong here.
1. You don't need a Tuner card to hook your computer up to your TV. Depending on the TV, it might even have a VGA input on the back. But likely the computer has s-video or composite out, which most TVs accept as input.
2. The resolution you set your desktop too, is not the same as the resolution your TV displays the picture at. It's converted to your TVs resolution. The issue is if your TV is old and the modeline is incorrect. Also, if your TV is susceptible "burn in" you can have that happen. Though, it doesn't happen as easily on an LCD, Plasma is more susceptible.

They claim this game will run on this computer or that but no it will not run on it.

Then return the computer. Most games will run on any computer, they just won't run well.

[zergpc208]

You have two things wrong here.
1. You don't need a Tuner card to hook your computer up to your TV. Depending on the TV, it might even have a VGA input on the back. But likely the computer has s-video or composite out, which most TVs accept as input.

sorry I was not clear here.TV tuner card is needed to get TV stations on the computer .But you do not need a TV tuner card to get what is on the computer on the TV.The TV tuner card is only to watch TV and record programs off your cable.

I believe a all in one card is used to hook up your TV,DVD,VCR to your computer.

But just for getting stuff from your CRT or LCD on your TV you do not need a TV tuner card or all in one card.But have to have a S-video or TV-out port on the computer to do that.

2. The resolution you set your desktop too, is not the same as the resolution your TV displays the picture at. It's converted to your TVs resolution. The issue is if your TV is old and the modeline is incorrect. Also, if your TV is susceptible "burn in" you can have that happen. Though, it doesn't happen as easily on an LCD, Plasma is more susceptible.

What do you mean by converted to your TVs resolution?

Sure you can, I have 4 LCDs here, I can change the resolution on all of them. The LCDs I have here go as high as 1920x1080 and 1280x800.

There is a difference of can and should.

[Gibble]

Originally Posted by zergpc208

sorry I was not clear here.TV tuner card is needed to get TV stations on the computer .But you do not need a TV tuner card to get what is on the computer on the TV.The TV tuner card is only to watch TV and record programs off your cable.

So what were you complaining about in your first post?

Originally Posted by zergpc208

I believe a all in one card is used to hook up your TV,DVD,VCR to your computer.

No, "all in wonder" is just a name ATI gave to one of their graphics card lines that could do it "all in one"...it was marketing. Those cards could tune in cable signals though, many used software encoding of the stream rather than hardware encoding and thus were not popular among people serious to use their pc as a pvr.

But just for getting stuff from your CRT or LCD on your TV you do not need a TV tuner card or all in one card.But have to have a S-video or TV-out port on the computer to do that.

No, YOU DO NOT need an s-video out or composite-out, they are just another means to an end. Newer CRT and LCD TVs have VGA inputs.

What do you mean by converted to your TVs resolution?

TVs are NOT like monitors. They have standard resolutions.
High def include 1280×720 (720p) or 1920×1080 (1080i or 1080p).
They also have refresh rates they operate at in those resolutions, often 50 or 60Hz, except for 1080p which currently runs at 24, 25, and 30Hz, but 50 and 60 in the future.
And lets not forget aspect ratios which were 4:3 and now are 16:9 for widescreen display. The resolutions I mentioned earlier are highdef, widescreen resolutions. TVs ONLY operate at certain supported resolutions. Your computers screen doesn't necessarily run at the same resolution, or framerate as your TV, and the output must be adjusted to be safe for your TV. The software takes care of this.

There is a difference of can and should.

And they all CAN change resolutions, of course they won't change like a CRT, they are LCDs. That's like complaining because you put your shoes on the wrong feet and they didn't magically switch for you.

Now, my point in all of this, is if you are going to *****, moan and wine about stores, do your due diligence and actually determine if your complaint is valid, or if, as is the case here, you're simply ignorant and spewing mindless drivel with no basis in reality.

[zergpc208]

No, "all in wonder" is just a name ATI gave to one of their graphics card lines that could do it "all in one"...it was marketing. Those cards could tune in cable signals though, many used software encoding of the stream rather than hardware encoding and thus were not popular among people serious to use their pc as a pvr.

Are you saying a all in wonder card is a video card and TV turner card all in one?

But just for getting stuff from your CRT or LCD on your TV you do not need a TV tuner card or all in one card.But have to have a S-video or TV-out port on the computer to do that.

No, YOU DO NOT need an s-video out or composite-out, they are just another means to an end. Newer CRT and LCD TVs have VGA inputs.

With out a S-video out or TV-out what does the data do go throught the atmosphere to the TV ?

And they all CAN change resolutions, of course they won't change like a CRT, they are LCDs. That's like complaining because you put your shoes on the wrong feet and they didn't magically switch for you.

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All LCD screens can actually display only a single given resolution referred to as the native resolution. This is the physical number of horizontal and vertical pixels that make up the LCD matrix of the display. Setting a computer display to a resolution lower than this resolution will either cause the monitor to use a reduced visible area of the screen or it will have to do extrapolation. This extrapolation attempts to blend multiple pixels together to produce a similar image to what you would see if the monitor were to display it at the given resolution but it can result in fuzzy images.

Here are some of the common native resolutions found in LCD monitors:

14-15": 1024x768 (XGA)
17-19": 1280x1024 (SXGA)
20"+: 1600x1200 (UXGA)
17" (Widescreen): 1280x800 (WXGA)
19" (Widescreen): 1440x900 (WXGA+)
20" (Widescreen): 1680x1050 (WSXGA+)
24" (Widescreen): 1920x1200 (WUXGA)
30" (Widescreen): 2560x1600

http://compreviews.about.com/od/mult...a/LCDSpecs.htm

[Gibble]

Do you have read what I write? Heck, do you even read what you write?

Yes, there is a native resolution, on everything, that's simple physics. But, all LCDs and CRTs that you use on a computer have what are called "supported resolutions" in addition to their native hardware resolution. Yes that requires extrapolation. And this is what I have been saying all along. You made the claim "They say you can change your LCD resolution and no you cannot change the resolution like a CRT." ...so what is your complaint? What's your point? That it doesn't change the number of pixels available on the screen? No, of course it can't. But that doesn't matter, what matters is that when you change to a supported resolution, it displays as though it were it's native....or close enough your eyes can't tell the difference.

Second, and this is the part that's really making you look like a fool., because you have said the following "With out a S-video out or TV-out what does the data do go throught the atmosphere to the TV ?" after I have repeatedly and clearly stated that "Newer ... LCD TVs have VGA inputs." Just like some TVs only have coax, some have composite, some have component, some have hdmi, some have vga, some have s-video, and some...in fact, the vast majority have a combination of the following often with multiple inputs of each! Heck, the plasmas we use at work have approximately two dozen different inputs on them.

So if you are going to continue to post, complaining the computer store in question is a crook. Make a point with substance behind it, not just ravings of ignorance.

[zergpc208]

LCD TVs have VGA inputs

Are you saying I can hook up a cable from a VGA output on my LCD or CRT to my TV VGA input?

Yes, there is a native resolution, on everything, that's simple physics. But, all LCDs and CRTs that you use on a computer have what are called "supported resolutions" in addition to their native hardware resolution.

Well than that is what I'm NOT understanding what is supported resolutions?

Yes that requires extrapolation. And this is what I have been saying all along. You made the claim "They say you can change your LCD resolution and no you cannot change the resolution like a CRT." ...so what is your complaint?

I think we are hong up on words here .Can a car go 100KM in 50 KM road.Well yes but should you.Than I really do not understand extrapolation.I thought CRT can use any pixel well LCD cannot.So when you lower the resolution the CRT can fill in more pixel and LCD cannot.If you up the resolution with a CRT it will take less pixel in.

What's your point? That it doesn't change the number of pixels available on the screen? No, of course it can't. But that doesn't matter, what matters is that when you change to a supported resolution, it displays as though it were it's native....or close enough your eyes can't tell the difference.

Well than this is the part I'm getting confued.I thought a CRT can use any pixels well LCD cannot it is fixed.Sorry I do not know how supported resolution work.

[Gibble]

Hook up your LCDs VGA output to your TV? What are you talking about now? You hook your computers VGA output to your LCD. That LCD could be a computer LCD or an LCD TV.

And a car can quite easily go 100km in a 50km road. Just drive from one end to the other, and then back again. I think you mean km/hr.

We're not "hong up on words", yours simply make no sense when applied to reality. You've now admitted you are confused, and don't know what you are talking about. Which I've been quite aware of all along, so...having admitted that, would you like to explain why you started this topic in the first place?

[zergpc208]

Hook up your LCDs VGA output to your TV? What are you talking about now? You hook your computers VGA output to your LCD. That LCD could be a computer LCD or an LCD TV.

This is the part I'm confued and need to elaborate.

And a car can quite easily go 100km in a 50km road. Just drive from one end to the other, and then back again. I think you mean km/hr.

I think you know what I mean with out the extra trivia grammar word.

We're not "hong up on words", yours simply make no sense when applied to reality. You've now admitted you are confused, and don't know what you are talking about. Which I've been quite aware of all along, so...having admitted that, would you like to explain why you started this topic in the first place?

May be you think not, but the text in this post seems to think so .But you seem to be derailing the post than repling and explaining the confusion here.I think If I know it all with computers , I would not be asking quetion here and state my status to intermediate,advance or pro than understanding basic PC hardware.

You the one that seems to want to spawn a flame war..

An other thing you quoted me that was not my quote it was Are you saying I can hook up a cable from a VGA output on my LCD or CRT to my TV VGA input? You typed Hook up your LCDs VGA output to your TV? What are you talking about now?.

[Gibble]

I have explained it, elaborated it, and put it as simply as I can. Yet, rather than read what I write, you just ask the same question over and over.

Then, you accuse me of trying to start a flame war.

Then, to top it off, you claim I misquoted you, which is incorrect on two fronts.
First, it wasn't a quote, it was a me writing what you said, in my own words. Hence, the lack of quotation marks. Second, and more importantly, both wordings, mine and yours say the same thing! So how can I have misquoted you, if it wasn't a quote, and still said the same thing?

Lastly, No, you can't hook the VGA output of your LCD or CRT to your TVs VGA input, as LCDs and CRTs don't have outputs. The graphics card in your PC does.

[zergpc208]

Lastly, No, you can't hook the VGA output of your LCD or CRT to your TVs VGA input, as LCDs and CRTs don't have outputs. The graphics card in your PC does.

All you had to say is the VGA output on your graphics card you can hook it up to your TV if it has a VGA input.


All you had to say was you can change the resolution on CRT and LCD but LCD can't take up more pixels or less like CRT.The LCD pixels are fixed had have to use supported resolution or extrapolation.Because when you lower the resolution the LCD can't take up more pixels .

When I got confused again about LCD and CRT you did not explain how supported resolution or extrapolation work but go on rambling how I can't read.

When I was saying you need a S-video out or TV-out and you saying I do not need it.You did not say most graphics card have a VGA output you can hook up to your TV if it has a VGA input.

You keep saying over and over you do not need a S-video out or TV-out .

When I ask you to explain more about VGA input to your TV.You say over and over You hook your computers VGA output to your LCD. That LCD could be a computer LCD or an LCD TV. or LCD TVs have VGA inputs or No, YOU DO NOT need an s-video out or composite-out, they are just another means to an end. Newer CRT and LCD TVs have VGA inputs.

You post about VGA input are barely understandable when I was saying I'm confued .Would it not be best if you write like this Your graphics card have a VGA output and you hook it up to your TV VGA input.Than would it not hurt to say if all graphics card have VGA output or TV all have VGA input.

So I don't post here later on saying all TV have a VGA input or all graphics card have a VGA output.

Your post are nothing more but rambling about yes or no you are write you are wrong and playing word games .Your reply with very little information when I'm getting confued.When I ask you to elaborate or explained more you keep saying the same thing over and over.

I'm sorry but you are the only one at techguy I have encountered doing this.All the 700 post count you are only one that seems to be hong up on word games and who is saying what or what I'm saying, or you write you are wrong .Than explaining and and clearing up my tin bit of information about CRT,LCD and graphics card .

Granted you post alot of useful information here and should get credit for it and I thank you for that , but what-ever that other stuff is it seems to be derailing the post here.

Also it should have been noted my english is not that good and it could also be a communication problem.

[4EverRight]

Originally Posted by zergpc208

Some computer stores are crooks they have computers 4 years old and want $500 for it , why is that?

They say you can change your LCD resolution and no you cannot change the resolution like a CRT.

They claim you can hook up a computer to a TV but no TV turner card.They claim you can get the picture on a small CRT or small LCD on a big TV with a S-video or TV-out :eek You will damage your TV at that resolution.

They claim this game will run on this computer or that but no it will not run on it.

This is why it is important to pay attention to the administrators of your local, state and federal governments. It is the administrators that make the decisions on how the laws will be implemented and how the work is performed.

It was the quick action of President Bush that corrected some early problems in New Orleans after the hurricane.

He found that one of his appointments was not performing the work and brought in another administrator that cleaned things up.

Usually it is your state government that enforces consumer protection law. What state are you in?