[Rep]

Or Change for the future?

In the last 20 years the conservative influence has increased greatly. They have at times held complete power having grasped the White House and both houses of Congress.

Of course, even before, and since, they have held sway in all aspects of public policy. They gained during the Reagan administration, increased their influence in the Bush 1 administration, worked to hold back progressive policies during the Clinton years, and of course dominated the debate leading us to where we are now in Bush 2, terms one and two.

The nation clearly needs a new direction. Is it possible for the GOP to regain its own party from the hard right, or will Democrats fill that void and move us forward?

Please, think out of the box and be honest in your response.

[linskyjack]

McCain is very disappointing---I was actually a supporter of his when he ran against Bush. Now he has become Bush Lite because his handlers are pretty much de-railing the straight talk express. Today, he even hired a Bush man to run his campaign---What that translates into is win at all costs.

On a positive note, the moderate Republicans are getting more of a voice and that can only mean positive things down the road. Maybe the fiscally conservative, socially liberterian wing of the party will be reborn.

[imrippinit]

Originally Posted by Rep

Or Change for the future?

In the last 20 years the conservative influence has increased greatly. They have at times held complete power having grasped the White House and both houses of Congress.

Of course, even before, and since, they have held sway in all aspects of public policy. They gained during the Reagan administration, increased their influence in the Bush 1 administration, worked to hold back progressive policies during the Clinton years, and of course dominated the debate leading us to where we are now in Bush 2, terms one and two.

The nation clearly needs a new direction. Is it possible for the GOP to regain its own party from the hard right, or will Democrats fill that void and move us forward?

Please, think out of the box and be honest in your response.

The biggest problem the US faces right now is gas prices BY FAR.

World demand for energy as grown exponentially to the point that China is drilling off the shores of the US where the democrat congress has forbidden US companies from exploration. Utterly ridiculous.

I understand the need for alternative energy, but our economy needs gas tomorrow morning not electric cars (for which we do not have enough electricity even if they were widely available) 10-20 years from today!

We need to be drilling offshore, in Alaska, in Wyoming, in Colorado, and anywhere else we can find oil! Our economy is about to crash in a big way and it is 100% because of the dems. Americans should be livid that the democrats have conserved our way into this mess. It is abhorrent that they have fought tooth and nail every energy proposal that conservatives have been bringing forward for the past 15 years!

We need cheaper oil! We need cheaper coal, natural gas, and nuclear energy as quickly as possible and the dems still do not get it!!!

Empty the dems out of congress to save our way of life!

[imrippinit]

Change?!?!

How about starting with the clean drilling of oil in Alaska, Colorado, Wyoming, and offshore wherever possible? There is no change that would be better for our economy and our way of life.

How about building more Nuclear power plants so when we have large quantities of efficient electric cars 10-15 years from today we will actually have enough power to run 'em???

The dems need to wake up or get out!!!

[imrippinit]

Don't even get me started on the Vietnam War that the dems started, fought inefficiently, lost 60,000 US soldiers, gave the war to Nixon who won it, and then surrendered it back after politicizing their way back into power.

Or the dems that blabbed all over th emedia that the US was monitoring the cell phones of top level terrorists so that the terrorists could avoid capture! Lets not even get inot the failure of the Clinton administration to nip the problem in the bud when they repeatedly had the chance.

Obama running the military??? Remember how Carter completely decimated our defense for his strategy of appeasing the enemy into submission? Remember the Iran hostage crisis and how Carter wouldn't help the Shaw maintain control of Iran and then how he gave the Shaw political Asylum after the meltdown which sent the revolutionaries into the tizzy of tizzies. Yeah, history can be an interesting thing if you can look back farther than what you had for breakfast today.

[Rep]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

McCain is very disappointing---I was actually a supporter of his when he ran against Bush. Now he has become Bush Lite because his handlers are pretty much de-railing the straight talk express. Today, he even hired a Bush man to run his campaign---What that translates into is win at all costs.

On a positive note, the moderate Republicans are getting more of a voice and that can only mean positive things down the road. Maybe the fiscally conservative, socially liberterian wing of the party will be reborn.

As you may recall, I was once a democratic office holder. I am no longer all that dedicated to that party.

With that said, I do hope the GOP is reborn, as well as a democratic party. We need strong parties again. Not this special interest, do what makes me feel good thing we have had for too long.

That, BTW is the fault of us as individuals. We have failed the political system.

[Rep]

Originally Posted by imrippinit

Change?!?!

How about starting with the clean drilling of oil in Alaska, Colorado, Wyoming, and offshore wherever possible? There is no change that would be better for our economy and our way of life.

How about building more Nuclear power plants so when we have large quantities of efficient electric cars 10-15 years from today we will actually have enough power to run 'em???

The dems need to wake up or get out!!!

Yada, yada, yada. Just burn it up. Don't think about actually having to change anything, just burn it all up. If only we can burn more resources, we will be better off.

[imrippinit]

Originally Posted by Rep

Yada, yada, yada. Just burn it up. Don't think about actually having to change anything, just burn it all up. If only we can burn more resources, we will be better off.

The US uses the same amount of oil today that it used 15 years ago. Hmmm. But low and behold, Energy usage in the world has climbed exponentially. What in the world???

Yeah, the little supply and demand thing that was predicted 20 years ago when conservatives started trying to increase domestic energy production. too bad the dems just said "your gonna burn it all up". Well, when we are riding horses and using covered wagons to haul goods all over the country we won't be burning it.

Why not Nuclear energy so when we have efficient electric cars 10-15 years from now we actually have enough electricity for everyone to actually drive their electric cars?

No, no nuclear power. No coal. No wind power. Solar power! OK, Lets run the US economy on solar power. I'll drive one. Where is it???

[Rep]

Originally Posted by imrippinit

The US uses the same amount of oil today that it used 15 years ago. Hmmm. But low and behold, Energy usage in the world has climbed exponentially. What in the world???

Yeah, the little supply and demand thing that was predicted 20 years ago when conservatives started trying to increase domestic energy production. too bad the dems just said "your gonna burn it all up". Well, when we are riding horses and using covered wagons to haul goods all over the country we won't be burning it.

Why not Nuclear energy so when we have efficient electric cars 10-15 years from now we actually have enough electricity for everyone to actually drive their electric cars?

No, no nuclear power. No coal. No wind power. Solar power! OK, Lets run the US economy on solar power. I'll drive one. Where is it???

same old, same old. Never try nothin new.. Conservatives are always looking back and they are taking us back to covered wagons.

[Fidelista]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

McCain is very disappointing---I was actually a supporter of his when he ran against Bush. Now he has become Bush Lite because his handlers are pretty much de-railing the straight talk express. Today, he even hired a Bush man to run his campaign---What that translates into is win at all costs.

On a positive note, the moderate Republicans are getting more of a voice and that can only mean positive things down the road. Maybe the fiscally conservative, socially liberterian wing of the party will be reborn.

That would be something we all could live with --like it or no.
I never supported the Republicans , for many reasons, but they were at least understandable .
It seems to me that the GOP got hijacked by right wing religious zealots , rightwing crackpots of all sort . A actual danger .
Never before I have heard such crazies . Its like they were empowered in 2000, came out of wood work like roaches !.
Do you honestly ever remember "conservatives" being so wacko ? . I don't .
I would hope that the Republicans would go back to former positions, and rid themselves of ..... well ..what we have witnessed. It extremely divisive , and I can only imagine what result would be if "Bush Lite" were elected .
I can understand many of the conservative arguments on fiscal matters {whether I believe or no } , as well other points on their agenda but ....... it seems to have went way off course become a party of nutcases!.
I really do agree with you , reform is a must .
Then maybe liberals can bitchh and pout , but if the nation elects a Repub, we will not be under control of nuts !.
That would indeed be a positive note !!. >f

[Fidelista]

Originally Posted by imrippinit

Don't even get me started on the Vietnam War that the dems started, fought inefficiently, lost 60,000 US soldiers, gave the war to Nixon who won it, and then surrendered it back after politicizing their way back into power.

You better read your history , both Dems and Repubs had a hand in post war {ww-2} policy with Vietnam .
It was a U.S. thing , plenty of blame to spread around , but past history..
Nixon won it ? . Well, what can I say ? .
If winning the Vietnam war was so important to U.S. security , are you in favor of another Vietnam war ? . Reoccupy ? .
Its never too late you know . . >f

[Hughv]

"gave the war to Nixon who won it"
Please go back to school and study this piece of history again.

"In 1965 the United States sent in troops to prevent the South Vietnamese government from collapsing. Ultimately, however, the United States failed to achieve its goal, and in 1975 Vietnam was reunified under Communist control..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War
"The Paris Peace Agreement did not end the conflict in Vietnam, however, as the Thieu-Ky regime continued to battle Communist forces. From March 1973 until the fall of Saigon on April 30, 1975, ARVN forces tried desperately to save the South from political and military collapse. The end finally came, however, as DRV tanks rolled south along National Highway One. On the morning of April 30, Communist forces captured the presidential palace in Saigon, ending the Second Indochina War. "
http://www.pbs.org/battlefieldvietna...ory/index.html
And so on.
We lost. Nixon was the fool who prolonged the war to satisfy his own ego.
I was there.

[imrippinit]

Originally Posted by Hughv

"gave the war to Nixon who won it"
Please go back to school and study this piece of history again.

"In 1965 the United States sent in troops to prevent the South Vietnamese government from collapsing. Ultimately, however, the United States failed to achieve its goal, and in 1975 Vietnam was reunified under Communist control..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War
"The Paris Peace Agreement did not end the conflict in Vietnam, however, as the Thieu-Ky regime continued to battle Communist forces. From March 1973 until the fall of Saigon on April 30, 1975, ARVN forces tried desperately to save the South from political and military collapse. The end finally came, however, as DRV tanks rolled south along National Highway One. On the morning of April 30, Communist forces captured the presidential palace in Saigon, ending the Second Indochina War. "
http://www.pbs.org/battlefieldvietna...ory/index.html
And so on.
We lost. Nixon was the fool who prolonged the war to satisfy his own ego.
I was there.

The problem with "School" is that the teachers are indoctrinated liberals. It was the short sighted dems who started the war, failed to conduct an efficient war effort, and who granted the US defeat after Nixon entered late and had forced victory.

Read up and expand your education beyond the High School level!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Peace_Accords
excerpt:

In a scathing attack on the US, Thieu suggested that Kissinger had tricked him into signing the Paris peace agreement two years before, promising military aid which then failed to materialize.

"At the time of the peace agreement the United States agreed to replace equipment on a one-by-one basis. But the United States did not keep its word. Is an American's word reliable these days? The United States did not keep its promise to help us fight for freedom and it was in the same fight that the United States lost 50,000 of its young men."[1]

The U.S. had promised Thieu that it would use airpower to support his government. On January 14, 1975 Secretary of Defense James Schlesinger stated that the U.S. was not living up to its promise that it would retaliate in the event North Vietnam tried to overwhelm South Viet Nam.

The last phase of the Vietnam conflict occurred during Schlesinger's tenure. Some senators criticized Schlesinger and questioned him sharply during his confirmation hearings in June 1973 after he stated that he would recommend resumption of U.S. bombing in North Vietnam if North Vietnam launched a major offensive against South Vietnam. However, when the North Vietnamese did begin their final offensive early in 1975, the United States Congress refused to appropriate the funds needed by the South Vietnamese, who collapsed completely. The North Vietnamese entered Saigon on April 30. Schlesinger had announced early in the morning of 29 April 1975 the evacuation from Saigon by helicopter of the last U.S. diplomatic, military, and civilian personnel.

[imrippinit]

Originally Posted by Fidelista

You better read your history , both Dems and Repubs had a hand in post war {ww-2} policy with Vietnam .
It was a U.S. thing , plenty of blame to spread around , but past history..
Nixon won it ? . Well, what can I say ? .
If winning the Vietnam war was so important to U.S. security , are you in favor of another Vietnam war ? . Reoccupy ? .
Its never too late you know . . >f

That is one way to look at it.

but it completely ignores the fact that the dems started the war, conducted it poorly for years, and that Nixon entered late in the game and forced the North to retreat in relativiely short order. Then, the dems in congress voted to retreat from enforcing the treaty. Hmmm. Does that sound like something the dems would do???

[Wino]

Originally Posted by imrippinit

The US uses the same amount of oil today that it used 15 years ago. Hmmm. But low and behold, Energy usage in the world has climbed exponentially. What in the world???

Yeah, the little supply and demand thing that was predicted 20 years ago when conservatives started trying to increase domestic energy production. too bad the dems just said "your gonna burn it all up". Well, when we are riding horses and using covered wagons to haul goods all over the country we won't be burning it.

Why not Nuclear energy so when we have efficient electric cars 10-15 years from now we actually have enough electricity for everyone to actually drive their electric cars?

No, no nuclear power. No coal. No wind power. Solar power! OK, Lets run the US economy on solar power. I'll drive one. Where is it???

You need to get out of the monastery more often cause you haven't a clue about history or oil or energy.

Not sure what part of Texas you're in, but in my area we have coal, natural gas, fuel oil power plants and building another coal fired plant. We own 25% of the South Texas Nuclear plant and they are preparing for another unit to be built. We have also invested heavily in West Texas wind power, which is growing monthly.

In regards to gasoline / oil prices..................when numbnuts Bush came into office gasoline was $1.50/gal and a barrel of oil around $25. Then crap for brains decided he needed to avenge daddy, had a cakewalk in Iraq and a war that would make him legend in his own time..........he slightly miscalculated. So. what's the price for gasoline and oil today? Say, Thank you Mr. Bush. All the drilling in the world isn't going to change a damn thing cause it is not a supply and demand problem.............it's a terrible economy brought on by a man who is so vacuous and shallow he has no peers. The dollar is in the sewer, energy cost are causing everything to skyrocket in price. You can blame China, India, Brazil or whomever floats your boat, but the real problem is and has been the administration of George W. Bush.

Had Ronald Reagan not dumped everything that Carter started for alternative fuels (also blame the American people for allowing him to do it) we would be 30 years ahead of the game. Carter said, and I paraphrase, that the energy crisis was the moral equivalent of war.....................and no body listened.

As for Nixon.........he WAS a crook. As for Vietnam, the domino effect never came to being, they won and we won, and the world is a better place for it................like Iraq, it should never have happened. Our relationship today with Vietnam makes me wonder why you rightwing nuts don't drop the stupid embargo on Cuba before China takes their suspected GOM oil fields.

Revising history is not your forte. Stick with religion.