[4EverRight]

Conservatives believe that citizens must take care of themselves. Government should not intrude upon our lives. And, government should not bail out people that have made poor decisions.

Our tax money should not be spent on people that are undeserving.

Most of you may have seen the videos of houses being washed downstream during the Lake Delton, WI flood a month or so ago. You may then have heard homeowners had no flood insurance.

It looks like the state of Wisconsin is going to bail them out and give them our hard earned tax money.

These people built homes in a flood plain, near a dam and did not ask questions concerning their properties safety.

People that make this type of decision are weak and lazy. They did not do their homework and now want a governmental handout.

They decided to live there. Conservatives believe we need to reduce governmental interference in peoples lives. I hope the people of Wisconsin demand that the payments be returned.

Let them pay for their weak decision.

[wordsmith]

I agree with you. I was brought up in Wisconsin. I remember when I was in grade school the river near us overflowed its banks. Back then all those people were on their own. Why now everything is so different I have no idea.

[gordon russell]

Bit hard , 4EverRight .Why not help out ( the UK is still ' a Christian country , is the U.S. also ? ) and enact policy AND education to stop a re-occurence ?

[Stoner]

How many homes are involved in that coverage?

Is this article accurate?
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=775448

excerpts>

The owners of five properties whose homes were destroyed last month in the Lake Delton flood were initially told they would get little or nothing in compensation.

State Department of Transportation officials, working with the governor's office, decided to condemn the property as part of the state's plan to rebuild county Highway A, which washed out when Lake Delton swept around a dam and emptied.

Sounds like the state is buying up the damaged properties to rebuild a road damaged by the dam bursting.
Is the road being improved at the same time?

You may then have heard homeowners had no flood insurance.

Question....would flood insurance even cover a burst dam?

These people built homes in a flood plain, near a dam and did not ask questions concerning their properties safety.

How do you know that?
When was the dam built and was it in good repair?
How old are the home compared to the dam?
Are the homes listed as being in a Federal Flood Plain?

Let them pay for their weak decision.

Sounds like there might be more to the story.
Think I'll reserve my opinion until more is known.

[ekim68]

Just curious 4EverRight, do you have flood insurance?

[valis]

Originally Posted by Stoner

Sounds like there might be more to the story.
Think I'll reserve my opinion until more is known.

ditto.

As for the flood plain issue, that definitely had a decision in where we bought our house, but then again, this is Houston. Quite literally the largest hill is an on-ramp; everything else is dead flat.

good question about the dam; I would assume that if the dam collapsed then it passes from flood insurance to the responsibility of the builders of the dam, e.g., the government.

[Wino]

Our city and county has it together. They buy out the one's that get repeatedly flooded and/or refuse to give them permits to rebuild at the same location. City does similar things - like soundproof houses to the tune of $5K-8K each for the idiots that bought houses around an airport that was there 30 years before they bought a house in a subdivision at the end of a frequently used runway. Or they shut down rock quarries that have operated for 20-30 years that were once in the country, now surrounded by housing and whiners screaming about blasting disturbing their peace and cracking foundations.

They can't coordinate traffic lights or fix potholes in streets, but the sure jump through their butts when correcting stupid peoples mistakes - kinda like our federal government bailing everyone out but the people that really need it.

[4EverRight]

No, no. This is a simple issue.

They built.
They did not think beyond the nice view they had.
It rained.
House flooded.

Now they want a bailout from those of us that did it right.

No, conservatives believe that we take responsibility for our own actions or inactions.

(I do not have flood insurance and will take personal responsibility and not ask you to pay for my home should it flood.)

[Wino]

The House has voted to bail out Freddie Mac & Fanny Mae. They should be forced to file for bankruptcy or go tits up. I'd like to know where the feds are getting all this money to bail everyone out.

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by 4EverRight

No, no. This is a simple issue.

They built.
They did not think beyond the nice view they had.
It rained.
House flooded.

Now they want a bailout from those of us that did it right.

No, conservatives believe that we take responsibility for our own actions or inactions.

(I do not have flood insurance and will take personal responsibility and not ask you to pay for my home should it flood.)

Apparently you chose a bad example to make your argument.
You've added nothing to clarify the issues I brought forward on that specific example.

They built.
They did not think beyond the nice view they had.
It rained.
House flooded.

You forgot to mention the damn dam failure.........:
You haven't addressed the scope of flood insurance nor who, if anyone, is responsible for the dam failure.
And what about the highway project?
It appears the land is being bought by the state for road rebuilding.
What's up with that?

I suggest you pick an example that has greater clarity to make your argument.

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by Wino

The House has voted to bail out Freddie Mac & Fanny Mae. They should be forced to file for bankruptcy or go tits up. I'd like to know where the feds are getting all this money to bail everyone out.

Print more?
Or just create an even bigger debt and further devalue the dollar?
Both?

Perhaps you remember I suggested, years ago, this would occur with the Bush economic agenda?

Bush is no conservative.

[Wino]

Originally Posted by Stoner

Print more?
Or just create an even bigger debt and further devalue the dollar?
Both?

Perhaps you remember I suggested, years ago, this would occur with the Bush economic agenda?

Bush is no conservative.

I disagree - Bush is the perfect conservative - fiscally irreponsible, unable to lead or govern, inability to inspire, and no vision.

I knew too he was going to be a disaster, I just didn't expect it to be such a huge one. All I can say is "I told you so" that electing this idiot was a gigantic mistake.

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by Wino

..................electing this idiot was a gigantic mistake.

That I do whole heartedly agree with.

[iltos]

Originally Posted by 4EverRight

No, no. This is a simple issue.

They built.
They did not think beyond the nice view they had.
It rained.
House flooded.

Now they want a bailout from those of us that did it right.

nope http://www.channel3000.com/news/16560561/detail.html

The director of the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources' Bureau of Water Management said that the village had been a participating member in the NFIP since 1975, but failed to formally adopt a new floodplain the Federal Emergency Management Agency map in 2001. So the village had its eligibility canceled.

Some of the owners of the destroyed homes said that they tried earlier to get flood insurance, but didn't qualify because their village wasn't a participating member of the NFIP.

"We were concerned about flooding and they said, 'That would never happen. It's never happened and we have control on both ends of the lake with dams and you're fine,"

Originally Posted by 4EverRight

No, conservatives believe that we take responsibility for our own actions or inactions.

(I do not have flood insurance and will take personal responsibility and not ask you to pay for my home should it flood.)

that's all well and good, but there IS an interface between individual and government responsiblity that exists in every society....without it, there's really no reason for a government at all, is there?

and in this case, it's important to know the relationship between the individual homeowner and the "delton village" government....did this ruling body unilaterally act, effectively making it impossible for those who wanted flood insurance to get it?

don't get me wrong...i respect your attitude about responsibility....but i don't see any evidence here of the flippancy about it that you're implying.

btw, the dam held....it was the geology of the area that apparently failed the homeowners
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=760060

[valis]

The director of the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources' Bureau of Water Management said that the village had been a participating member in the NFIP since 1975, but failed to formally adopt a new floodplain the Federal Emergency Management Agency map in 2001. So the village had its eligibility canceled.

Some of the owners of the destroyed homes said that they tried earlier to get flood insurance, but didn't qualify because their village wasn't a participating member of the NFIP.

"We were concerned about flooding and they said, 'That would never happen. It's never happened and we have control on both ends of the lake with dams and you're fine,"

nice find, iltos......as I said, reckoned it would roll up to the government.

surprised to see the geology failed. IMO, working at a geophysical company, that's still a failure of the engineers to adequately protect the dam. Were that one of our structures that failed due to geologic events, we would most definitely be held liable.